Monday, November 2, 2009

Guest Roloff episode reviewer Rap541: Little People Big World November 2nd

Our next guest episode reviewer is Rap541. All opinions and statements made belong solely to the person making them (Rap541).

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Written by Rap541

1st Episode:

Amy and Matt talk about replacing the couch. It turns into Amy chastising Matt about life. I can see Amy’s point but I also see Matt’s. I must admit, I see Amy’s side more in that Matt seems pretty dismissive of her plans.

Amy is miffed that she had a speaking engagement when Matt plans a trip to the Virgin islands. Matt has no recollection that she ever mentioned a speaking engagement., which in fairness I don’t buy. Molly is torn. Jeremy is mostly concerned about sun tan lotion. Matt is equally concerned about lotion. Frankly their lack of concern about how the rest of the family feels is a bit odd.

Zach and Molly and Amy discuss not going to the Virgin Islands. This is awkward. I think Zach has a point on family vacations. My parents feel the same way its not family if its not all family. Jeremy over talks how Zach is a thinker. Matt is all excited about the trip. Amy notes Matt won’t miss her and that Matt doesn’t care that she will not be there.

Matt and Amy discuss how she can’t parajump into the Bermuda triangle and meet the boat. Matt acts like its no big deal. Amy is pretty pissed. Yeah, I kinda see her point here in that there is no major issue raised as to why she can’t attend other than “MATT HAS PICKED THIS TIME AND HE AND HIS PENIS HAS SPOKEN, ALL MUST OBEY!!” I mean really, was there an actual reason other than “because” that this couldn’t be rescheduled?

Ominous music under a BLOOD moon. Amy vacuums. Amy notes she may have misspoke. Zach is not talking to dad. He calls to Molly. He rants to Molly how wrong he would be to go. Its not family. Zach is annoyed that he was called a crybaby. Funny how the producers, including Matt and Amy apparently, have cut how *someone* called Zach a crybaby. Molly and Zach seem to feel really bad over the rift. Molly and Zach decide not to go.

Amy and Matt talk about it. Matt presents it to his mom as a father/son trip and Amy corrects him that Molly may attend. Amy and Matt argue harshly on this point. I think Amy has a point. It is very very obvious that this trip was not intended as a father/SON trip but as a trip that would have easily included Molly. And I can see why Molly was not interested once Matt presented it as a trip for he and his sons.

Matt invites Zach to go. Zach is pretty petulant but I can see his point. Who cares who’s chance it is, indeed? I feel bad for both Matt and Zach because I simply can’t imagine it being this divisive. Oh I remember my mom and dad arguing over trips but really, it is clearly not originally intended as a father son trip. Its very obvious that Amy would have easily gone if it had been arranged for her to attend.

Matt and Amy talk about Zach going. Matt says he almost canceled. Jeremy hay bales that he has no idea why Zach wouldn’t want to go. I kinda want to point out why Molly and Zach are angry. It’s noted that Jake may stay home. Molly and Zach and Amy do not pressure Jake to drop out. Amy and Jake talk about how Molly and Zach are the ones who do things with him. I really feel for Jake but I also respect Zach and Molly’s point of view. Because really, it is not unreasonable to expect one’s mother to be on a family vacation.

Matt goes on about how awful wrangling a free trip to the Bahamas is. He notes how he and his buddy Eric are like Mueller and Jeremy. Matt throws a huge guilt trip on Zach and Molly. Zach notes how irritating that is. Matt notes publicly how “Papa” will laugh at Zach and Molly. Matt, you’re acting like a jerk.

Molly and Zach note they don’t plan to sit around at the house for the trip.

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2nd Episode

New ep.

Matt whines how the kids think their mom should attend a family trip. Stupid kids! Thinking their mother should attend their trip. Really, how ungrateful, expecting their father to ensure their mother who he is currently married to, to attend a vacation,. Gosh, wasn’t Matt the guy who left Mom to lead the kids around New Orleans since he had a major work crisis? Heaven forbid his wife NOT CANCEL a speaking engagement where she makes money for the family? Mom heads off to Wisconsin. Amy notes Matt just plans for Matt. Matt whines that he loves Amy but there’s just no question that he will go without her. Zach is all “I love the FAMILY”.

Jeremy notes that Zach is standing his ground, Mueller asks Jeremy how Zach and Molly are. Jer notes how sad they are. Yay Jer! In fact, during the episode, neither Zach or Molly seem all that sad about not being in the Virgin Islands.

They head out on a jitney. Matt says he almost pulled the plug and then he decided to invite better people than his family on the trip. The cool members of the family that Matt doesn’t mind ditching, head out on the boat. Jake gets to steer, the adults get to pull sales. It’s all so sail boaty.

The kids sail. Matt says something I can’t hear and they sail. Jake notes how he’s not normally treated as a pal by Jeremy and Mueller. Jeremy notes how Mueller is better than his brother. Yeah, I had always suspected that. Nice to hear Jer say it out loud so his fans can’t deny it. Meanwhile Zach and Molly play basketball. Zach notes how he’s not in the Mueller-JEREMY love fest. Zach seems to enjoy his time not whipping “it” out to compare to Mueller, Jeremy’s love.

Jer and Mueller scuba together like newlyweds . Papa notes he has a hard time keeping up. Matt notes how he was in intense pain. He notes how it causes problems when atving after a long winter in the cold. I’d feel worse if I wasn’t told Oregon rarely has snow.

Matt says he thinks he is deteriorating medically. Mueller and Papa and Jeremy and Jake. Jeremy reads some lines on the hay bale. Mueller and Eric share some love.

Matt blows into a conch badly. They head off to dinner. Matt notes Molly and Zach, HIS CHIDREN, would have come if their mother had attended, aren‘t there. I get an ugly vibe like Matt is seriously judging his kids. Jeremy snits how Zach missed out on “The memories”. I kinda want to point out that half of Jeremy’s family wasn’t there to make memories.

Molly notes she feared Jeremy and Dad mocking her for going, but that it was cool regardless. How nice is that? Amy notes Zach made instant food and laughs.

Matt goes on about how he can’t make it. He sends the lads off to cave explore and there’s much swimming in caves. In fairness I like Matt’s justification for Zach skipping. Meanwhile Zach and Molly hang on the farm. They are heading to the gorge. Oh their gorge is nice. And I grew up in Ithaca, the land of gorges. Molly and Zach both go on about the ugly issue between Zach and Dad. Wow.

Matt is hauled up to a boat and they head to Necker island. Gotta be honest, I have an idea how much this costs. WOW. Eric spots Matt up the deck and the Virgin slands? Nice?’

I dunno. Was this trip worth pissing off the wife? Because I so get why Amy feels annoyed.

64 comments:

Dana said...

Rap541, I am reviewing your review.

1.[["Jeremy is mostly concerned about sun tan lotion. Matt is equally concerned about lotion. Frankly their lack of concern about how the rest of the family feels is a bit odd."]]

No it is not. It was only Amy and Zach acting unreasonably. Matt and Jeremy shouldn't let the Debbie Downers in the family ruin their good time. They were going on the trip. They were shoping. Why find fault with them? Amy and Zach were the ones who were wrong.

2.[["I think Zach has a point on family vacations."]]

He did not. He was just being moody. The Roloffs are fortunate to go on many vacations. As Matt pointed out, Amy spent more time with the kids last year on vacation. Zach should have realized that and thanked Matt for providing this vacation for him. Be thankful for Matt. Jeremy appreciates what Matt does for him. Why can't Zach? Zach is too selfish and immature.

3. [[" I mean really, was there an actual reason other than “because” that this couldn’t be rescheduled?"]]

Matt said the reason why. It was spring break. Amy shouldn't have booked herself for the week the kids were free.

4. [["Funny how the producers, including Matt and Amy apparently, have cut how *someone* called Zach a crybaby."]]

What are you getting at? Not everything in the Roloffs lives happen when the cameras are filming. Amy made it sound like it happened late at night after the cameras left. Why would they hide that? If Matt didn't want it known that he gave Zach a taste of his own medicine, they wouldn't have included Zach recalling the dispute.

5. [["It is very very obvious that this trip was not intended as a father/SON trip but as a trip that would have easily included Molly."]]

Amy and you need to cut Matt a break. It was just wording. It was going to be almost all the guys. There was no need to nag on that point. Matt never said Molly was not welcome.

6.[["Molly and Zach and Amy do not pressure Jake to drop out."]]

I saw it very differently. They were pressuring him. Fortunately Jacob made the right choice.

7. [[I really feel for Jake but I also respect Zach and Molly’s point of view. Because really, it is not unreasonable to expect one’s mother to be on a family vacation.]]

They were being sulks. They need to learn to be more like Jeremy and appreciate all that Matt does for them. It's a lovely vacation that most kids would dream of taking. They take it for granted. Jeremy doesn't.

8. [["Matt notes publicly how “Papa” will laugh at Zach and Molly. Matt, you’re acting like a jerk."]]

Matt was not being a jerk. Zach was being disrespectful Zach must learn that the world does not revolve around himself. Matt had friends too. Good friends. Could you imagine Jeremy reacting like Zach did? In fact, he did not. Mueller and Jeremy discussed it with Eric over dinner. They didn't take offense to Eric stating the same thing Matt did to Zach.

Dana said...

9. [["Jeremy notes that Zach is standing his ground, Mueller asks Jeremy how Zach and Molly are. Jer notes how sad they are. Yay Jer! In fact, during the episode, neither Zach or Molly seem all that sad about not being in the Virgin Islands."]]

You believed Molly and Zach's act? Jeremy knew they would have rather been there. I agree with Expressed's assessment. Jeremy was trying to contain laughing at them because he knew how foolish they were trying to "prove a point".

10. [["The cool members of the family that Matt doesn’t mind ditching, head out on the boat."]]

That's not right. They were all welcome except for Amy due to the scheduling conflict. These were the family members who were appreciative of Matt's plan.

11. [[Jeremy notes how Mueller is better than his brother. Yeah, I had always suspected that. Nice to hear Jer say it out loud so his fans can’t deny it"]]

He did not say that. He was speaking the truth. He said Mueller is more adventurous and Zach is more petulant. I don't fault Jeremy for enjoying Mueller's company more.

12. [["Zach notes how he’s not in the Mueller-JEREMY love fest. Zach seems to enjoy his time not whipping “it” out to compare to Mueller, Jeremy’s love.]]

That was not necessary. Is it any wonder why Jeremy is a better friend with these kids when Zach speaks about them like that?

13. [[" Jeremy reads some lines on the hay bale. Mueller and Eric share some love."]]

Read some lines? I'm not surprised you gloss over that. What Jeremy said was very touching. Perhaps it is the reason why Jeremy and Matt have a much better relationship. Jeremy understands all the sacrifices Matt makes. God bless Jeremy. At least there is one person in that family who appreciates Matt and recognizes what life is like for Matt in his physical state.

14. [[" I get an ugly vibe like Matt is seriously judging his kids."]]

I don't believe he was. But he has right to be miffed at Zach and Molly for boycotting the trip.

15. [["Jeremy snits how Zach missed out on “The memories”. I kinda want to point out that half of Jeremy’s family wasn’t there to make memories."]]

Jeremy is just like Matt. He's not the type of person who is going to let anyone ruin things for him. They want to enjoy life and that's what they did. There is no point in going on the trip if they weren't going to make memories and have the time of their lives. That's what they did.


16. [["Molly notes she feared Jeremy and Dad mocking her for going, but that it was cool regardless. How nice is that?"]]

But they didn't, did they?

Anonymous said...

Rap's anti-haybales pills must be working. He only wrote it once

Em said...

What exactly upset Zach about Jeremy and Mueller?

Anonymous said...

Jeremy and Matt truly deserve each other. Jeremy is Matt Jr. He's as self-centered as his father.

Think about it. Jeremy hadn't a clue in the world why someone would not go on a vacation to benefit themselves. He was dumbfounded. It doesn't even occur to Jeremy to think about someone other than himself.

Angela said...

I was disappointed in the vacation. When I heard about it, I had thought it would be Jake bonding with Matt and Jeremy.

It didn't look that way. They didn't even show Matt and Jake interact.

Rap541 said...

Dana - I don't know how you were raised, but where I was, family vacations involved all the family, and Dad generally changed plans if Mom's *work* (you now, Amy makes money for the family at those things) kept her from attending.

Honestly I would have been amazed if Jeremy had given the trip any thought other than how he and his boyfriend would have fun. It's actually pretty noticable that Jeremy didn't give the trip any deep thought at all. He was gonna have fun and to hell with his mom's hurt feelings. After all, its not *fun* for Jeremy and the important thing for Jeremy is to always do what he wants, regardless of anyone else.

Really - I am amazed that Jeremy gets to bad mouth his brother and sister and gets praised, but Zach, Molly, and Jake are bad people for doing the same. Its interesting - Jeremy's fans always justify his comments and always whine and moan how wrong his family members are. Zach says he prefers dwarf pals, he's a mean spiritd hate. Jeremy says he prefers buddy Mueller over his blood kin, well, thats FINE. I mean, that a loving kid loving his family when he says he prefers not being with his family.

Joanne said...

I understand where zach was coming from. He is sensitive and felt bad for his mom so he made a stand. Zach is a lot like Amy, so its no wonder he and matt clash. Jeremy is like his dad, just go and do.
I felt bad for Jake. He didnt need the turmoil to deal with in having his family divided and he was probably not sure where that left him.

I also see problems and jealousy between Jeremy and Zach. Mueller is the brother that jer wants. Zach cant do things his average brother can. Its a conflict and I see these two not being close because of it.

Carol said...

Joanne, that's a good point about Zach and Jer/Mueller.

I feel bad for Zach that Jeremy doesn't even hide it. Mueller is really the brother Jer wants, but Zach is his twin.

Rap541 said...

Em, I don't think it was clear exactly why Zach was annoyed about Jeremy/Mueller. I think it was because clearly Matt had taken the time to make sure Mueller was going to be able to attend, because you know, Jeremy can't be expected to not have his playmate... but Matt couldn't be bothered to make sure actual members of the family were able to go and made a public point of noting how Zach and Molly were going to be mocked out for choosing to miss out on Father/Son trips with Dad and some kid not related to them.

I mean really - I'd be annoyed too that Dad is more concerned about making special accomadations for Gold Boy Jeremy's Buddy and can't be bothered to make sure actual family can attend. And if I was Molly, really, I can see why being on a boat of guys having father/son time might not sound like a lot of fun for her, or that Dad put any thought into what the only female on the trip would be doing.

Kit said...

Zach - take this opportunity to start making your own life. Something as simple as taking classes at the PCC Sylvan campus instead of Rock Creek will let you get out of the Jer-Mueller lovefest and start making your own friends. Think about getting a job, any job. That would give you something to do other than hang out with "the boys." Volunteer to be a soccer coach - I'm sure HSC always needs more coaches for their rec program. But please, do something, anything, that gets you out of that house and away from the negativity directed at you.

Kit said...

Hey, before you get a thousand posts about this, it's PORTLAND that doesn't get much snow, not Oregon. And while it rarely gets down below freeezing in winter, we do have long periods of damp chilly weather, so someone with arthritic joints (like me) could be uncomfortable. Of course, I don't have a heated pool and a hot tub right outside my door to exercise in, but hey, any excuse for a tropical vacation...especially when it's free.

And I love the idea that Matt *planned* this trip. Hmmm, let's see, Matt calls TLC assistant and says "I want to go somewhere warm and tropical over spring break. What can you do for me?" That phone call must have been exhausting! LOL...

Ahhhh, one more thing (just can't let go!) -- $175 for sunscreen????? For five days????? Didn't anyone other than me say WTF???

Great reviews - keep on keepin' on.

Anonymous said...

Dana nailed it IMHO

Jason said...

I think Jeremy was more of a jerk than Matt was, Rap, about Molly and Zach not being on the trip.

Jeremy's big grin and laugh on the plane talking to the love of his life - the only person he cares about other than himself (Mueller) about Zach and Molly annoyed the hell out of me. Jeremy is so friggen smug.

Kit - ITA with your suggestion for Zach. He really, really needs to get away from Jeremy, but I don't think he realizes it or will actually do it.

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"And I love the idea that Matt *planned* this trip. Hmmm, let's see, Matt calls TLC assistant and says "I want to go somewhere warm and tropical over spring break. What can you do for me?" That phone call must have been exhausting! LOL..."
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So true, Kit, so true. That's how trips are planned for them. Wasn't that what Matt and producer Eric were doing when they were having a beer at the pub the night of Matt's DUI arrest?

Peter said...

If I were Zach, I would have told Mueller to get his own damn family and stop leeching of mine. Years ago.

Em, the real reason is because Zach realizes Jeremy would happily press the trade button and exchange Zach, his own twin, for Mueller.

Here's a question. If Zach was avg height, would Jeremy had still went on and on about how Mueller is so much more fun to hang out with?

Jeremy is a failure as a person.

Anne B said...

Jeremy was snickering at Molly and Zach's decision not to go because he realized they were being idiots.

It reminded me of my little brother who would throw temper tantrums. When he would get into one of his moods, usually when my parents were doing something nice for him, he would say he didn't want the present....when we all knew he did. He was being stubborn and missed out.

That's why Jeremy was snickering about Molly and Zach on the plane. He said "it's sad" but he was smiling and laughing. They deserved that for how childishly they were acting.

Brokenwing said...

I don't understand all the negative comments about Jeremy and Mueller.

If you were Jeremy, wouldn't you much rather want to vacation with Mueller than Zach?

I understand that Mueller has said some things on the internet and has a reputation for being rude to fans, but taking that element out of it, he seems like a good friend to have and a good person to vacation with. He likes what Jeremy likes. He's willing to help out and looks to be in a good mood.

Anonymous said...

I once complained to a store manager when I found--once again--that he didn't have the merchandise he had advertised.

"I'm sorry you feel that way," he purred to me, as if the problem were my attitude and my doing, and had nothing to do with him.

I was reminded of this constantly last night as a I watched Matt squirm and lie his way of out a situation he purposely created, and expected to get away with.

I haven't seen such a load of prevarication and dissembling and dishonesty since . . . I don't know. The Bush administration?

Matt is a master of this stuff. He constantly slid off-topic, constantly avoided direct answers, constantly recast criticism as a problem with the person criticizing, constantly recast the situation in terms favorable to himself, constantly leveled ad-hominem attacks in response to legitimate objections. What a smooth, scummy operator he is.

Even Jeremy joined the tactic. Zach was clear about his reasons, yet Jeremy, at the very end, is filmed saying (in a rolling-eye voice) "WHATEVER Zach's reasons . . . . " Thus recasting Zach's stance in order to disparage him. What a jerk.

I have zero belief that the vacation date was accidental; I have every belief that it was a power play, and that Matt expected the family to side with him. That is sick.

And unfortunately for Matt, he revealed himself as a sleazeball: It's one thing to disagree with a person (members of your family), but it's another deliberately to misrepresent their positions, to disparage with ad-hominem attack, to slide off the point and avoid real discussion to save oneself.

I know people will vehemntly disagree with me, but I challenge you to watch the re-run next week and pay close, careful attention to Matt's argument style. You'll see him doing exactly what I've described.

Geez, I don't like these people any more.

Kara said...

Rap, I appreciate your comments. Its a breath of fresh air to see a review not praising Jeremy's every move or making an obligatory ~omg shirtless~ comment.

Although Zach is friends with Mueller & gang as well, I just wish he would venture out beyond them and find a different set of people (at PCC perhaps) to hang out with. He might be happier and find a better fit.

The only thing I really liked out of these episodes was the fact that you could really see how close Molly/Zach are. It was sweet.

Expressed said...

I don't understand why Jeremy is being criticized?? What is the problem with what Jeremy said about Mueller?

If you were Jeremy, are you honestly telling me that you would rather have Zach on vacation with you when you know he doesn't sail or do half the other things, over Mueller, who likes the same things you do?

What is wrong with that? It doesn't make Jeremy a bad brother or a bad person. Just because they're twins doesn't mean they are going to like the same things. Because Zach can't or won't sail, it means Jeremy shouldn't?

Jeremy shouldn't be criticized or feel guilty for being closer to Mueller than Zach. I totally understand why he is.

Rap541 said...

Expressed - I assume you would be fine with Zach saying he wanted a different brother as well, and would publically note that Zach shouldn't be criticized?

Or is it ok *for Jeremy* but not ok for anyone else?

Expressed said...

Jeremy didn't say he wanted a different brother or that he hated Zach.

He said he has more fun with Mueller because Mueller and him (Jeremy) like the same things and Zach doesn't.

What is wrong with that? He spoke the truth. If you were Jeremy, you would probably want Mueller instead of Zach, too.

Rap541 said...

So in other word, it IS ok if Jeremy does it, and not ok if anyone else "speaks the truth". Interesting.

Expressed said...

So if you were Jeremy, you're saying you would have more fun on vacation with Zach than with Mueller? Really? You really think Jeremy would have a better time with Zach, even though Zach doesn't do half the stuff that Jeremy and Mueller likes to do?

Or you just don't like that Jeremy was honest and said it?

Brandon said...

Anon at 2:23, great post. Spot on.

Rap541 said...

I'd say, expressed, that yes, I would pick my real family over my buddies. Every time. Because family is forever.

I also don't buy into your "Jeremy is hot so Jeremy speaks the truth, and whatever Jeremy says and does is right since he's got nice abs." views. Sorry.. nice abs yes, but really, he looked to the camera and said he had no idea why anyone would skip a vacation, and its pretty darn clear Zach skipped the vacation to support his mom who was excluded by his father from attending. If Jeremy seriously had no idea what was bugging folks, he really isn't very bright at all. He came off very shallow. His mom feels hurt, his brother and sister both turn down a free vacation, they feel that strongly... and Jeremy's only thoughts are about how he'll be having himself some fun.

HappyNow...Anon said...

Anon at 2:33 I totally agree! Well said:)

Anonymous said...

The one week when all her little chicks are off from school (spring break) and Amy schedules a speaking engagement instead of staying home and smothering her children. This season's episodes have been painful to watch because it's so obvious that Amy and Matt are drifting apart. I thought Amy was way out of line and took pleasure manipulating Zach and Amy into not going on the BVI trip. She was thrilled to see the division in her children's ranks. Rather than it's "all about Matt" I think it's "all about Amy." Amy threw Jacob in as a pawn. I really felt for Matt. Unlike Jer (and I'm not the biggest Jeremy fan in the world), he seems to understand that his father is deteriorating physically. Zach and Molly deprived themselves of a trip it what may be their father's final year or two of mobility. You can see what pain Matt is in, and yet his cold fish of a wife doesn't seem to give a crap or fathom Matt's very serious medical issues. Amy, with all her Christianity, could care less about the marriage vows "in sickness and in health." She just wants to go off and do what Amy wants to do -- go to Rome, speak before a bunch of students in Wisconsin, etc.
As for Jer being Matt's "golden son," I think Jer and Molly have both had to grow up fast. The family is obviously dependent on Jer's physical strength and coordination to drive, lift Matt, take care of grown up things to help his parents. I think there is a brotherly bond between Jer and Zach, but with Zach acting as of late like such an immature little brat, I can see why Jer prefers Mueller's company.
As for the stye Zach and Molly left waiting for Amy's return,instead of getting pissed at two young adults perfectly capable of cleaning up after themselves, Amy once again prolonged her children's dependence by throwing on the old apron and stacking the dishwasher. "I feel so needed." How sad for Amy that instead of fostering a closer relationship with her husband, she clings to her children.

Greg said...

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"I think Jer and Molly have both had to grow up fast. The family is obviously dependent on Jer's physical strength and coordination to drive, lift Matt, take care of grown up things to help his parents."
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Wow, I couldn't disagree more. If there is one thing true about Jeremy, he has NOT grown up quickly. No way.

Fans throw this out all the time, but Jeremy is not the slave of the family. Any of the real work around the house or the farm is done by hired hands like Camerino or TLC recruits.

I've seen ALL 4 of those kids and Amy help Matt, contrary to the belief of some, it's not Jeremy the slave doing it all.

Rap541 said...

Greg - totally agree on the family slave issue. Jeremy, and Molly, frankly, are not in any way acting as the family helper monkeys. They don't spend their days physically assisting their dwarf kin. Yes, I have seen ALL FOUR of the kids and Amy help Matt. I see no sign that Jeremy is assigned any daily assistance chores. He's got time to play with friends and play sports in school. That means poor slave Jeremy isn't required to be at the house to assist his handicapped dad on a constant basis. I know kids who had to help about with physically caring for a handicapped relative - None of the Roloff kids are being forced to grow up early in order to tend to a parent.

David said...

These people are so spoiled now. Did you all notice there was a limo complete with a driver to take them to the airport. The driver was holding the door for Prince Jeremy.

Richard said...

I don't like some of the comments I see people make about Zach regarding Jeremy.

Walk a mile in his shoes. Think of how hard and frustrating it would be to live every day of your life competing with Jeremy? Zach is at a disadvantage in everything. Physically, socially, everything.

It's easy for Jeremy to be the fun, adventure oriented one with closer friendships than it is for Zach. He wouldn't be human if he didn't have some jealous towards Jeremy.

Jeremy is insensitive and discriminating against Zach. He likes Mueller better because Mueller can sail and can keep up with him. Zach can't. Zach can't swim with Jeremy and jump in the ocean like Jeremy because of the tubes in Zach's ears. Instead of accepting that and accepting Zach, Jeremy is happy to replace him with Mueller and likes the replacement brother better!

Jeremy disgusts me.

Anonymous said...

Where did this conversation morph into Jeremy replacing Zach with a new "brother," Mueller? It's pretty typical for siblings in a family to form close friendships with peers. In fact, it would be abnormal if kids didn't. My two older brothers couldn't be more opposite and each were closer to his own friends than to each other. I agree with another commentator who said that Zach needs to get off his butt and volunteer as a soccer coach, get a job or maybe make a concerted effort to improve his grades at community college so he can get out of that house, out of that small town, away from the Jeremy universe and into a 4-year college where he can grow up. I emphasise with Zach and his physical disadvantages, but it didn't stop his parents from fighting to find their way in the world, especially Matt. Unlike his parents, who had no LP role models growing up, Zach has been fortunate enough to have them and the LP world to show him how little people can survive and thrive. His parents have the money (thanks, Matt) to take him to conventions and sports competitions for little people. I think that Zach is a kind and sensitive young man, but he's going through a real whiny stage right now. He and Jeremy are growing up. Things don't stay the same, Zach. Accept it and move on.

Joanne said...

Expressed....It is hurtful to hear your twin brother say he would rather vacation with a friend instead of his own brother.
I have a twin and there is no way I would do or say anything that would hurt her. To me, that was hitting below the belt.
I think Zach is frustrated and knows he cant compete with mueller so there will be problems with their relationship as brothers because of it.
Yes, Jeremy should be and do all he can while he has the opportunity. He can also be a little sensitive to his brothers needs and wants too.

If I had a little people twin, I know I would be more protective of her than I am now.
A little caring goes a long way.

How frustrated would you be if you were the only small person with 3 average size siblings? It HAS to be hard for Zach

Joanne said...

David.... Limo drivers always open the door for whoever they pick up. Nothing special just for Jeremy.

Anonymous said...

Zach was being a baby. They were fortunate enough to be able to take a very nice trip and Amy had booked a prior engagement. She could have flown down to an island and met them there.

Lately Zach has become nothing more than a whiner. When he doesn't get his way he has an outburst or temper tantrum just like the episode when he didn't get the grade he wanted.

If he is jealous of Mueller and Jeremy's friendship then get some friends of his own. That is part of the problem. He wants to hang out with Molly's friends now because he doesn't want to grow up and go into the real world of college and work.

I used to like Zach as I do all the family members but lately he has become a real jerk.

Richard said...

"Zach and his physical disadvantages, but it didn't stop his parents from fighting to find their way in the world"

Anon @8:59 AM - Zach doesn't have Matt's personality so end of story there. If you read between the lines, Amy did not have a happy time growing up. She was lonely and shy. She didn't get invited to the dances. She was living at home when she was 25 until she met and married Matt in a rush.

The difference between Amy and Zach's growing up experience is that because Zach had a "cool" average height twin, he was part of the in crowd just by association. That has advantages and disadvantages.

Joanne, beautifully said! "If I had a little people twin, I know I would be more protective of her than I am now."

I've seen few people who are quite as insensitive as Jeremy given his situation.

Anonymous said...

Have you guys not watched the first four/five seasons? Jeremy has been plenty protective and inclusive of Zach. When Zach had his leg surgery, Jer was in the recovery room offering comfort. Those guys are close, but like all late-adolescent kids, each is exploring his own way in the world. Zach has plenty of gifts that have been acknowledged by his loved ones and friends. And yeah, Amy had a tough time growing up, but she figured it out, went to college which was pretty courageous, joined the LP universe, etc. She deserves a lot of credit for that. Because of LPBW, many of us have been enlightened to the world of Little People and the disabled. I know I've become a better person watching the show. But Zach hasn't had it that bad. He has his parents to show him the way, he didn't have to go it alone like his mother did growing up. There are plenty of families with a disabled child and "normal" siblings. Zach can do anything he wants to do despite his short stature, which I think is the show's message. I don't see Zach at the disadvantage here.

Cheryl said...

I think that losing Mike was very hard on Zach and the entire family. I wouldn't judge any of them too harshly - they are still grieving.

Anonymous said...

I don't really see myself as biased to anyone in the family except maybe Molly. She seems like a very smart young lady. But anyway, I have had problems with some of the things that all of them have done. I'm not pro anyone. In this particular situation I was actually very disappointed in Amy. There is a dynamic in that family that was probably established long ago when Matt used to be on the road a lot working and Amy was at home with the kids. Amy loves her kids and does a lot for them, I get that, but I just don't get what the big deal was with her missing one vacation. She had to work. Life is that way. I don't know about them but spring break where I am from is only 1 week. When did she want him to push the vacation to? Matt missed plenty of things with his kids because of work. His body is deteriorating and of the two he seems to have the most health problems. I know Matt isn't perfect but for Amy to basically try and dissuade her kids from going somewhere and having fun with their father because she couldn't go was a little low.

They are obviously having problems and they have let their little battle manifest itself with the kids picking sides which they shouldn't have to do. I understand Zach wanting his mom to go and I get his reason but for the sake of Zach and Matt I hope they find a middle ground before its to late. That trip may have actually been the perfect opportunity for them to talk things through without Zach or Matt being able to run to opposite sides of that huge farm. Zach is at a point where he feels he can verbally better comunicate with his father who he feels has not really listened to him or always done whats right for the family. That was a good time before they went out into the world to have a good one on one and I would hope that Amy would push her son and her husband to have a better relationship instead of putting her problems with her husband onto her son. Zach and Matt have some serious problems that maybe they need a mediator to work out. I don't know. Thats just my take.

Greg said...

6:21pm Anon,
I would never use Jeremy being at the hospital in California as an example of Jeremy caring about Zach when it was obvious that the whole family had to be present. I'd say that's a reason why he isn't if we're truthful about it.

You might not know, but Jeremy made comments online to his friends about how much he did NOT want to go to California for Zach's surgery. Jeremy wanted to stay home and go snowboarding with friends. That was even in the book that was obviously designed to be a feel-good family book. Jeremy wanted to stay home and snowboard with friends. Whether he was guilt-tripped into going or whether he forced to, is not the point. If there was no outside pressure it was clear where Jeremy would have been. Snow boarding with friends instead of at the hospital with his twin. Just like how Jeremy was with his girlfriend and buds instead of at home with Molly and Zach when Jake was in the hospital with a dented in skull.

Then there is the after math of Zach's surgery and the dance with Zach on crutches. Jeremy told Zach to come, not because he wanted Zach there or because he felt Zach would have a good time, typical Jeremy wanted Zach to come for a Power Play. He controls Zach, Zach is a vote for what Jeremy wanted to do after the dance. At the Lookout spot, Jeremy rushed to the top blabbing about the great view, while Zach was struggling up the stairs. Thank goodness for Dan.

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Naomi said...

Amy was not using the kids against Matt.

She was encouraging Jake to go on the trip. She told him he would have a good time. She told him his Grandpa would be lots of fun. She told him that "they" (Jeremy and his friend) would take him along when they went exploring on the islands.

Amy could have easily swayed Jacob if she wanted. She didn't do that.

Zach and Molly made up their own minds.

Britt said...

She didn't dissuade them but she didn't encourage them either. Zach had his mind made up to stand by his mom and he talked Molly into not going and although I don't think he said the words to Jacob they basically tried to get him to not go too. Amy may not have come out and openly said don't go, but she sure didn't try to talk them into going. On other trips and stuff she has tried to talk them into doing stuff they didn't want to do.

You may be mad at your husband for what he did but she would have been the bigger person if she had encouraged her kids to go on the trip and have fun anyway.I just think Zack took the cue from how dissapointed his mother was and sided with her. He was the only child that stated he didn't want to go without her. Molly and Jacob both said they would go. If she thought Matt was wrong for planning a trip she couldn't go on she was just as wrong for sitting back and kind of sabatoging it.

Craw said...

Dana, you did GREAT!!!!! Pointing what is wrong with Rap's review.

"Jeremy snits how Zach missed out on “The memories”. I kinda want to point out that half of Jeremy’s family wasn’t there to make memories."

Rap, you and Zach would get along. You want them to sulk like Mr. Mopey. Yeah, Molly and Zach chose to skip it. So what? Jeremy and the rest of the guys that went aren't supposed to have a good time because of it? You're being stupid. They did create memories.

" I would pick my real family over my buddies. Every time. Because family is forever."

This is stupid thinking. In the real world people aren't always closer to their brothers or sisters than they are friends.

Mueller and Jeremy aren't just normal friends either. They are best friends since kindergarten. It's not like they met last week.

I bet you in 20 years Jeremy and Mueller will still be friends and that Jeremy will be closer to Mueller than he will with Zach after all that time.

You under estimate Jeremy's and Mueller's friendship if you thought they're the type of friends who will never see each other again because they graduated high school.

Zach sucks for being jealous of them. If he was cooler and more like Jeremy maybe he would have a friend like that, wait, oh yeah, he doesn't. lol. He needs to hang out with his little sister's friends to feel like he's cool.

Rap541 said...

Craw - in all serious - go to your pastor and tell her that in any given situation, you'll abandon your family for your friends. That standing by family is stupid thinking. See how well it goes over. No matter how much you want it, or Jeremy for that matter, Jacob Mueller isn't Jeremy's family (unless of course the two take advantage of certain changes in the marriage laws in some states) Honestly Craw, when you're a little older, you're going to look back on your little crush for Jeremy and a)feel bad about the things you've said and b) wonder what you saw in him.

Personally, I would not be shocked to see Jeremy in ten years, stilling living at home and playing with buddy Mueller. Thats about his level of maturity.

Britt - after a rewatch, I think Zach made up his mind all on his own, and that is probably what the bad fight we didn't see was about.I also suspect there was more going on here than what we saw.

Angela said...

"I also suspect there was more going on here than what we saw."

Such as?

Expressed said...

Thank you Craw :)

[["Personally, I would not be shocked to see Jeremy in ten years, stilling living at home and playing with buddy Mueller. Thats about his level of maturity."]]

Rap, wow. I don't see it that way. Jeremy is a lot more mature than Zach. I think that's part of the reason why Zach snits about Jeremy and the reason for the increasing tension. Deep down Zach knows Jeremy has passed him in maturity, has more friends and deeper friendships and will have better, happier and more successful life and that's what pisses Zach off about Jeremy. The J word with a capital J(ealousy).

Rap, please I'm trying to be respectful to my fellow reviewer. Don't twist. You did it with me and you did it with Craw's answer which is basically the same as mine.

It's not Jeremy "abandoning" his family for Mueller. The entire issue was Jeremy being honest when he said (basically) that he had a better time vacationing with Mueller than with Zach.

[["I also don't buy into your "Jeremy is hot so Jeremy speaks the truth, and whatever Jeremy says and does is right since he's got nice abs." views"]]

Ouch. Please don't be insulting. Yep, Jeremy is hot! He has a great body, a great ass, and all of that....but pretending like me and everyone who appreciates Jeremy's looks can't have a valid opinion about him because it disagrees with yours is childish and the position of someone who can't argue anything else. By the way, I don't think Jeremy "always speaks the truth". He lies. He lied (duh) about not drinking, he lies about stuff he's done that you're not supposed to do. People lie, kids lie. But Jeremy saying Mueller is more fun than Zach is not lying. It's not being a bad brother. He's speaking the truth.

I said he spoke the truth about Mueller being more fun to hang out with. I honestly don't think if you were being truthful, if you put yourself in Jeremy's shoes, you would think Zach would be more fun to be with for a week than with Mueller.

Before I forget my train of thought about that, for the people playing the pity card for Zach because he's a dwarf? No, it's Zach. I think LP Bill is 100 times more adventurous than Zach and Jeremy would have a better time with him than he would Zach. I don't know that for a fact, but I think I'm right. I can't picture Bill wimping out and whining like Zach.

Zach's problems can't be blamed on dwarfism. It's because of his attitude and his jealousy of his own brother.

Joanne, I'll ask you the same question I asked Rap. Be honest. If you were Jeremy, who would be more fun to vacation with on that trip? Mueller or Zach? Is your problem that Jeremy actually said the truth? If it is, that just proves how unfair Jeremy is treated because one of the constant criticism I see about Jeremy everywhere is that people think he lies and spews BS when he talks because he's just trying to sound good (read what people say when he talks about Matt).

Rap541 said...

Angela - I don't know, really. My reasoning goes like this. They, the producers and Matt and Amy, have *never* hesitated to portray Zach acting badly. I mean, we've seen this sort of fight many times before - Zach throwing a fit over something he percieves as major and that Matt (and usually I) percieve as minor and not only is it good tv, it usually results in a lot of positive feedback for Matt. It's not like the camera crew has hesitated to show a fight before, or to show Matt name calling one of the kids.... Coupled with that is the whole vague presentation of what had the entire household clearly upset. Matt apparently had a serious fight with Zach and still doesn't know why Zach is "making a stand"? Molly is clearly upset and yet Jeremy professes to have no idea what the major fight was about? I dunno, it just seems odd if the fight was over Amy going on the trip that no one seems to want to talk about it directly.

Which makes me think the fight *started* over Amy going on the trip - and I think we saw the start of the fight pretty clearly - and escalated into something else entirely that was pretty ugly and possibly not not flattering to the show's image of happy dad and happy mom raising innocent kids.

As I said before, showing Zach "being a sulk and a suck" has never been danced around before... which makes me think there was more going on here.

Rap541 said...

"Rap, please I'm trying to be respectful to my fellow reviewer. Don't twist. You did it with me and you did it with Craw's answer which is basically the same as mine."

A) Claiming your words are being twisted doesn't make it true.

B) Demanding I respect Craw and not demanding Craw stop her insulting "You're stupid, thats stupid" remarks means you are showing your bias. I have to kowtow abnd smile while your buddy is rude and you don't say a WORD except "Thanks craw" , but you and your buddies get to high five after taking shots? Please. Go on and thank Crtaw for calling me stupid some more and then demand I respect you.

As for maturity - frankly Expressed, I think Zach and Jeremy are pretty even in that regard. I personally wouldn't be shocked to see Zach sitting next to Jeremy on that couch because they're nineteen years old and they have no ambition and no interest in doing anything other than goofing around.

Expressed - if Jeremy was unattractive - same guy in all ways but just not good looking, would you defend him? Would you watch him on tv? Would you say Zach is wrong to state he sometimes wishes he had a dwarf brother, but Jeremy is just fine stating he prefers the average height buddy over his friend? Because thats really what this is about. Zach was deemed bad for his comments - because Jer is soooo awesome. Jeremy does the same thing, and he's "just speaking the truth so its fine." Zach was speaking the truth and got trashed as a bad brother but Jeremy is held up for the same action?

The only discernable difference between the two is that Jeremy is the one who are OMIGOD HE'S HOT over.

Julie said...

"I honestly don't think if you were being truthful, if you put yourself in Jeremy's shoes, you would think Zach would be more fun to be with for a week than with Mueller. "

No, see, some of us don't think it's fun to hang out with people who use racial slurs so casually the way Mueller and Jeremy do. Funny, that.

Kit said...

"I bet you in 20 years Jeremy and Mueller will still be friends and that Jeremy will be closer to Mueller than he will with Zach after all that time."

I won't take that bet, because you're right. Jer won't be close to Zach because Jer wants FUN FUN FUN and hey, it's really boring to have to "wait up" for someone who isn't average height, and can't ride a bike as fast as you can, and isn't interested in seeing how many chicks he can bag at the winter formal. But I digress...

Here's the thing (as I see it) - this was supposed to be, according to Matt's story, a FAMILY vacation. If he had asked Amy BEFORE committing to the trip, he would have known she had an event scheduled. They could have discussed the situation and decided whether to go ahead with a trip without her, or wait for a time when she could go along. Spring break has nothing to do with it, because they can travel whenever they want.

The problems arose when Matt went ahead and booked the entire thing without consulting Amy. For you young ones who aren't in a serious relationship or marriage, I can tell you that it is extremely hurtful when your partner does something like that. When he does it again and again and again, at some point, you snap. I think this was Amy's snapping point.

If Matt had taken that one small step of asking his wife about schedules, none of this foofaraw would have happened. The whole issue of Molly and Zach not going and Mueller being "more fun" would have been moot, because 1) the family would have gone, with Amy's blessing, on a FAMILY vacation, or 2) they would have scheduled the trip for a time when everyone could go.

Matt doesn't get it. HE wanted to go on a trip, and for him, that's it, end of (the nonexistent) discussion. He doesn't need to consult with anyone (like his WIFE), because their wishes/schedule/priorities don't matter. If you don't get why that's a problem, then please, please, don't get married any time soon, if ever.

AS for Jer? I kinda wish Amy HAD encouraged the other kids to go. Then Jer would have had to suffer through a vacation with his siblings. Poor, poor Jer - that wouldn't have been ANY fun...

Zee said...

Kit and Rap, you're awesome. You two consistently hit it on the mark.

Zee said...

It is hilarious to see people using Jer's "deep friendship" with JACOB MUELLER as a reason why Jeremy is a wonderful and mature human being.

Interesting how the show doesn't explore anything about Mueller even though he's on t.v more than Molly...if they did, he wouldn't be used as a reason why Jeremy is so swell.

A few things about Mueller from those of us around the H-boro area.

1. Anybody offended by Jeremy's language, haven't heard anything, if you haven't heard Mueller.

2. Jeremy and Zach's disgust (off camera) for fans is well known, but that pales in comparison to Mueller's disgust for fans. It's well known.

Interesting how Mueller can't even act the part. How many tourists rave about Mueller while they're getting Roloff pumpkins? None? Interesting how fans talk about how Dan The Man and B.Roth can play nice with fans, but Mueller is not even in that position. Why do ya suppose that is?

3. When the graduation episode rolls around, look hard for Mueller up on stage. Look real hard....Because you won't find him. He didn't even graduate.

How would that have made this episode look? A trip in March and Mueller was sucking so much in school, he was on his way to failing high school and wasn't able to graduate with the rest of his friends, but he soaks up the sun with Jeremy in the BVI's.

I won't even get into Mueller's "other activities". You all saw Jeremy's comments right? Muel was "bring the stuff" guy. Enuf said about that.

If the show exposed just a little real "reality" about Jer's BFFs life, the Muel, I don't think people would be as quick to be so proud of the Jer Bear for having best friend like Muel...

Leenie said...

Okay, I'm not going to jump into the fray of whether Jeremy & Zach like each other, but you guys ALL seem to be overlooking something that was a HUUUUUUGE red flag to me.

In the first episode, after Amy talks to the kids in the office, she says several times that the kids feel tense whenever matt is--pause-- in this frame of mind, and then says he's in his room because he's "in this frame of mind." The way she said it seemed to imply to me that maybe Matt has been drinking. I don't think it is accidental that at the beginning of the scene they show that there are several bottles of wine on the desk in the corner of the family office. I'm not one to cry alcoholism, but it was just the way that she kept saying it-- like she was searching for a way to say he's intoxicated without admitting on TV that he is.

burton said...

I agree with Jeremy - I have no idea why Zach would skip the trip. Matt scheduled the trip for Spring Break because the kids would be out of school. I can sympathize with Amy if she asked Matt before accepting her speaking engagement whether he was planning a trip. But regardless of the issue between Matt and Amy, I think it was wrong and pointless for Zach to try to take sides and boycott the trip. You know, Matt seemed reak sincere in the scene where he was entreating Zach to go. I think Zach figured out that he could hurt Matt's feelings by skipping and wanted to act out. It is that simple, and Jeremy was right.

Kit said...

Rap - Here you go. First big storm of the season arrived this week. First link is closest webcam to Roloff Farms - about 5-7 miles away. Second is Timberline on Mt. Hood, where Matt and Jeremy were skiing. Ski resorts are hoping for a Thanksgiving week opening, while I'm still mowing my lawn.

http://www.oregonlive.com/traffic/pdx_metro/ (click on the leftmost camera icon out by Hillsboro - US26 at Bethany)
http://www.fsvisimages.com/moho2/moho2.html

Rap541 said...

heheheheh I believes ya! :D

Expressed said...

Rap, I'm not Craw and I'm not a moderater between you and Craw.

I was showing you respect. I only ask for respect in return and you weren't doing that by twisting my words which you also did to Craw.

I don't expect you to scold Rod for ridiculing me and my review, don't expect me to scold Craw.

"As for maturity - frankly Expressed, I think Zach and Jeremy are pretty even in that regard."

I totally disagree. Jeremy is miles ahead of Zach in maturity. While Jeremy is having a mature dinner and conversation with Ron and Matt's friend, Zach is hanging out with his little sister and her friends. Like he does with Jake and his friends.

Jeremy acts like a perfectly normal 19 year old doing things that 19 year olds are doing

Rap, if Jeremy wss acting like a baby (thank you Zach!), I would say it. I don't think Jeremy is perfect. I said I believe he lies. But yes, even if Jeremy wasn't attractive, he has a hell of a lot more likeable personality than Zach, Jake, Amy and is far more interesting to watch than Molly.

Expressed said...

Zee, Mueller is not that bad. I think a lot of people are jealous (including Zach) of the tight friendship Jeremy has with Mueller.

One of the main reasons why fans don't like Mueller is because most people heard the story of him being mean to an over-zealous fan of Jeremy's. That wasn't nice, but it doesn't make him the scum of the earth. I'm not getting into the language debate again and so what, he got behind in high school. It doesn't make him a bad person. He's going to PCC now. He should be applauded for that. I know kids who did as bad as he apparently did in high school and just gave up. They wouldn't have bothered going to PCC like Mueller is now.

Who knows Mueller better than Jeremy? To quote Jeremy from the episode from the 4th season.

"Mueller is a great person. We are like ~this~ and everyone knows it."

The point about Jeremy and Mueller is that it's a reason why Zach is jealous of Jeremy. He has deeper friendships than Zach.

Rap541 said...

You were thanking Craw for her comments. Her comments where she called me stupid. Thats respect? You'll note that I didn' *thank* Rod for insultng you. Thats because I'm not trying to score points or encourage people to insult you. You thanking someone for calling me stupid is.

If I didn't respect your basic ability to write, trust me, I'd be doing a scornful little "You're stupid, Expressed" review and high fiving Rod. Do you honestly think I couldn't do a point by cutting point review of your review? Really? I don't do that because I respect you, and I respect Spirits intent to have differing viewpoints here.

I simply don't plan to argue with you over Jeremy's maturity - there's plenty of evidence that he's as immature as Zach (he can't go anywhere without a buddy, he still has mommy waking him for school, his only reason to go to college is to party, he's happy to live at home with his mom and dad) but you'll just insist you're right. Like how you insist he's got the chops to mdel.

Expressed said...

Kit,
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"I won't take that bet, because you're right. Jer won't be close to Zach because Jer wants FUN FUN FUN and hey, it's really boring to have to "wait up" for someone who isn't average height, and can't ride a bike as fast as you can, and isn't interested in seeing how many chicks he can bag at the winter formal. But I digress..."
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That's not the reason. The reason is because Zach is a downer. He almost ruined the vacation for everyone when they were in New Orleans by being a baby. He won't try anything new unless everybody spends 6 hours talking him into it. Why oh why, would Jeremy ever prefer Mueller to that?

I don't see the trip the way you do. People do take friends on family vacations.

As for the trip, it was miscommunication. I can't blame Matt. It was March break. Why would Amy book a speaking engagement during the one week the kids are free? She did. Why should it be ruined for everyone? It's not like Amy doesn't travel the rest of the year.

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"AS for Jer? I kinda wish Amy HAD encouraged the other kids to go. Then Jer would have had to suffer through a vacation with his siblings. Poor, poor Jer - that wouldn't have been ANY fun..."
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You did hear Jake say that Jeremy and Mueller included him on the vacation right? Just checking.

Jeremy likes to live life and make memories. He shouldn't be criticized for wanting the person whom he gets along best with to be part of those memories. Vacations are fun. Having Mueller there makes it more fun for Jeremy.

Expressed said...

Rap, I thanked Craw because she answered the question that you asked of me, with the same basic points that I was going to respond with, wwithout calling you stupid. I apologize if you think I was thanking Craw for insulting you. Her points about Jeremy, Mueller and Zach are the same as mine.

And yes, I do think he has the chops to model and I use the good ratings this season as they show more and more of his body as a reason why.

I think being independent and being mature are two different things. Jeremy acts and carries himself like a 19 year old. Zach acts like a 12 year old much of the time.

Craw said...

"But please, do something, anything, that gets you (Zach) out of that house and away from the negativity directed at you."

All the negativity comes from ZACH and Amy. Not the other way around.

Zach's life would suck without Jeremy. Would he ever leave the house? Deep down I think Zach knows how much worse his life would be without Jeremy. That's why he still wants to share a room and follows Jeremy around.