Saturday, December 5, 2009

Original article on the Roloff Family from 1998 -- A must read

This is a blast from the past and a special treat. I believe this is the original article from the Oregonian that is credited with starting it all in terms of media attention that lead to the Roloffs being on television. This is the local article that brought the Roloffs to the attention of the New York Times, which then got the Roloffs into People Magazine and from that got the attention of Discovery. No doubt this is best article that has have been written about the Roloffs.

It's an outstanding article; so interesting to look back on it now knowing what things are like for the Roloffs present day and read this old article from 11 years ago. Jacob was only 15 months, Jeremy and Zach were 7 years old.

Particularly with all the marriage drama being depicted on the current season of Little People, Big World, it's noticeable according to the article how in love Matt and Amy were back then. Amy initiated warm embraces with Matt.

Some enlightening quotes from the article:

"She takes care of me," Matt says so tenderly that Amy turns away from her chore to meet her husband's eyes. "She's the one who makes me responsible."

When Matt met Amy in 1986 in Dearborn, Mich., she had resigned herself to a life without love or children. She had dated only twice -- in contrast to Matt, who dated lots of women of all sizes.

The two didn't get together until after they met at the convention -- when Amy, living with her folks in Michigan, doggedly wrote him in San Jose until he responded. Their romance moved swiftly; they spent a total of three weeks together before their wedding in September 1987.

"Ever since he proposed, I've been on a big adventure," Amy says, stepping down from the stool to wrap her arms around her husband's neck. "If I had not married Matt, I never would have experienced what I've experienced. I used to think that I wasn't good enough for anyone.

"Matt made me feel worthwhile."

Some things seem so different. Some things stay the same (the army of the twins friends piling through the house, Matt being in charge; convincing people that they're lucky to do things for him). Interesting that they said they were against customizing the house to LP size because they wanted to maintain the resale value and for their average height kids. Neat to see all the references to Matt hoping to be noticed by Disney.

The most poignant portion of the article, in my opinion, is the part about Matt actually getting out on the soccer field and being able to run (apparently not well, but that's not the point) and kick the soccer ball. It puts into perspective how much Matt's health has deteriorated when you consider what he's like now.

Another note of interest in the article will be the part about the soccer game. What Jeremy was like when he was younger compared to what viewers have seen of Jacob in the last few years on Little People, Big World has always been a much debated topic among the different faction of fans. The article tells the story of Jeremy and Matt taking on Amy and Zach in a soccer game. Fans will want to read about Jeremy's reaction after a rare loss.

On a light note, Ron Roloff must have grown a few inches while he was in his 60's...on the show Ron has been described as being over 6 foot, in the 1998 article it states he is 5'10".

It's a lengthy article, but well worth the read. It gives some fabulous insight into Matt -- his determination, his dreams, and his drive. You have to give Matt so much credit, it is hard to imagine a person having a better outlook on life and on their own differences or disability.

Amy's own confidence has grown so much. It's sad to hear her describe herself before she met Matt - feeling like she wasn't good enough for anyone and being resigned to the idea that she would never find love or have kids.

Very interesting to look back at it now. I've scattered in some old pictures of the Roloff family that you might not have seen for those whose eyes glaze over when they see too much text without anything to break it up ;-). Not all of these are necessarily from the same year as the article.

April 26, 1998
Measuring a man's worth Deal-maker, father and dwarf Matt Roloff shows success and ambition aren't reserved for the average-size world By Michelle Mandel of The Oregonian staff

Measuring a man's worth
Deal-maker, father and dwarf Matt Roloff shows success and ambition aren't reserved for the average-size world
By Michelle Mandel of The Oregonian staff

Matt Roloff roars his 4 x 4 rig up a slender slice of hill he calls Top of the World, cuts the engine, leans back and soaks in the spoils of his success.

His eyes roam his 34-acre Washington County farm, built with money he makes as a top deal-maker in the high-stakes computer industry. His gaze pauses at the peach orchard, the llama pens and red barn he rebuilt, but he stops for a good stare at the pirate ship and three-story Swiss Family Robinson treehouse.

But the half-built Old West town, with its sheriff's office, hotel and post office, draws a sigh. He frets that it won't be finished by May 10, his twin sons' eighth birthday.

His worry eases as he looks past the pond and soccer field into the future. He envisions a spectacular avenue like Disneyland's Main Street -- a signature entrance to his cream-colored farmhouse and burgeoning U-pick fruit farm.

Barns charm him, so he envisions a big one just inside the gate. Beyond it, he sees barrels and wagons and other farm tools lining the 200-foot driveway.
Except everything will be big. Really big. So everyone who enters will feel small.

Very small.

Like him.

Inspiring others

He often forgets that he's a dwarf, until he sees himself in the mirror or when somebody stares intently. But Matt Roloff was born a dwarf, and a diastrophic dwarf at that, with the telltale lousy joints. His crutches have been his hips and knees all his 36 years.

Sometimes, when he looks in the mirror and sees a hunched-over man on crooked legs, he ponders whether long legs and arms would have reaped him greater glories. Then he wonders whether his deformities drive him, whether his need to prove his worth in a world of comparable giants makes him twice the man he otherwise would be.

Either way, he considers himself a lucky man, whom God has blessed with many breaks in life, including a high-paying job; appearances in "Return of the Jedi" and other movies; three lucrative side businesses; a loving wife; four healthy children; and a fairy-tale farm that he secretly dreams Disney folks will notice -- because he doubly secretly thinks he's got something Disney needs.

Although others might view his handicap as carte blanche for self-pity, Matt's transformed it into a powerful catalyst that charges both his business and personal lives. His rapid-fire mind -- honed during childhood years spent in a hospital bed -- drives him to overcome his physical limitations. In doing so, he inspires friends and family to conquer their own limitations.

He hasn't exactly spun gold out of straw, but the self-made man has mastered standing tall at 4 feet 2 inches.

His seize-the-day attitude, though, leaves little time for reflection. He guns the Toyota Land Cruiser backward down the hill and takes off around the treehouse, pirate ship and pond to his remodeled 1930s farmhouse. Grabbing his crutches from behind the front seat, he hobble-swings inside.

"Hey," Matt calls out to his 35-year-old wife, Amy, who's sitting on the family-room floor with pink curlers in her hair and pink eyeshadow smeared above her deep-set hazel eyes. Scattered toys surround her on the carpet.

"We're playing beauty shop," she says, grinning, as their daughter Molly rolls another chunk of chestnut hair up her mother's head.

Matt met Amy at a Little People of America convention 11 years ago and married her 14 months later. Amy's an achondroplastic dwarf, the most common of 100 dwarf types. Like Matt, she's 4 feet 2 inches, but like most "acons" she stands straight and doesn't need crutches.

He lifts his youngest child, 15-month-old Jacob -- who already reaches his father's chest -- and kisses him softly on the cheek. Physical problems prevent most dwarf couples from having more than two children. The fact that the Roloffs have four gives Amy significant bragging rights at little people get-togethers.

The twin boys blast into the four-bedroom house trailed by half a dozen dirt-smudged friends. "We've been playing Army!" says a panting Zachary, an acon dwarf whose squat legs must pump twice as fast to keep up with the pack. His twin, Jeremy -- like Molly and Jacob -- is what the dwarf community calls "average" size, meaning he'll grow to normal height.

Already, 7-year-old Jeremy is 2 inches taller than his parents.

The fact that he is a dwarf, married to a dwarf, with a dwarf child and three average-size children doesn't seem odd to Matt. Like 90 percent of all dwarfs, he and Amy have average-size parents and siblings.

To him, he's just a husband, a father and a businessman with a whole lot to do in a short space of time. He's a man who happened to be born small, so he knows for sure he'll never be a star basketball player. But that's about all he'll concede.

The phone rings, as it does every 10 minutes or so in Matt's office, which sprawls across the family dining room. He answers with his characteristic "Matt here," then leans back as if reclining in an invisible chair, resting his beefy biceps in the leather straps of his crutches, taking his 120 pounds off tired knees and hips. The fused middle knuckles of his stumpy fingers don't bend, so he more or less pushes the phone up against his ear. A ghost of a goatee encircles his mouth.

Friends tell him he looks like actor Dustin Hoffman, with his Roman nose, and he sounds like actor Joe Pesci, with his raspy, streetwise voice. He's not so sure, but he doesn't argue. He'd rather be compared with Dustin Hoffman than the Hobbit.

The caller is one of those friends, among at least 200 people in his personal phone book. Matt makes a point of calling them monthly, even if only to say hi. Later, he balks at naming just one best friend.

He has, he says, so many friends.

Life at full speed

Yelling goodbye to Amy, Matt swings out the front door and to the Land Cruiser -- now towing a 16-foot flatbed trailer -- and pulls himself into the driver's seat.

He's practiced the move so it looks easy. Then he's off, his right foot gunning a pedal extender as he pulls onto Helvetia Road.

As usual, he's in a hurry, hoping to cram five errands into one hour. He wakes up calculating how many chores he can squeeze in before midnight, when he finally passes out and rests his bullet-train brain. Downtime is wasted time; he figures he's read just 10 books in his life, too impatient to tackle others. He rarely feels frazzled, but when he does, he plays Blitz chess. The five-minute computer game saps his mental energies but momentarily distracts him.

"Life is very short," he says, barreling past fields of alfalfa and clover, window unrolled, seat belt unfastened. "It comes and goes very quickly, and I think people waste a lot of time in their lives. When I retire, and I sit back in my rocking chair, I don't want to have any regrets."

As reluctant to waste money as time, he's calling three lumber stores on his hands-free cell phone to find the lowest price on 30 railroad ties for his western town. Settling on Home Depot, he briskly hobble-walks inside and stops the first clerk he sees.

He's witnessed the pause before -- the "you're a dwarf, how should I deal with you?" moment -- but he hardly notices. He considers the pause a definitive edge, his 30-second chance to show folks he's no slouch.

The pause works especially well in business, where new clients rarely know he's a dwarf before their first meeting. Matt, in sports coat, slacks and tie, plows into the room like nothing's up. Then, while everybody's taking in his shortness, he makes bonding chitchat before blasting them with a multimillion-dollar sales pitch.

"He has an incredible ability to break down barriers and to build a warm and fuzzy feeling very quickly," says his boss, Ashok Kuruganti, Pacific Northwest manager of Clarify Corp., a computer software company based in San Jose, Calif. Matt fell into computer programming after an academically undistinguished high school career, and he quickly became expert at customer support system software.

Matt came to Oregon from California in 1990 to take a job at Sequent Computer Systems Inc., where he worked mostly behind the scenes. He's amazed that Clarify would even consider putting him on its front selling line.

But Kuruganti, who counts Matt as one of his closest friends, says he's invaluable. "He knows what clients need and how to solve their problems better than anybody else," he says.

To think straight, Matt needs an uncluttered mind. So he delegates, a skill he developed while growing up in the San Francisco area where he enlisted entire neighborhoods to help him build go-carts and magnificent backyard forts.

"He kind of played the other kids, like, 'If you're really lucky, you'll get to do something for me,' " says Ron Roloff, his 5-foot, 10-inch father, who lives with
Matt's mother, Peggy, in Grass Valley, Calif.

Matt still convinces people they're lucky to work for him. He pays some of them, such as the 15 hired hands hammering together his floor-wobbling Tower of Terror. Others simply consider themselves privileged to be able to lend a friend a hand.

"He's amazing," says friend Sven Baidenmann, a graphic designer and brainstorming buddy. "Just when you think you know everything about him, he tells you something else he's doing -- and it's been on the burner for quite a while -- and it's so exciting, you just want to be a part of it."

Hauling back down Helvetia Road, flatbed filled with railroad ties and 40 bags of fertilizer, Matt thinks about summer coming and the big barbecues he'll throw. He throws them because he likes to show off and believes in spending money to make money. Big-shot executives remember little Matt Roloff long after the shindig ends.

"It gives executives confidence in me," he says, talking at his racehorse pace. "They know if I can handle doing what I do on the farm, I can handle their project, too."

He's famous among friends for picking up the tab, and he's a generous tipper -- especially at hotels, where he needs help with everything from adjusting the shower head to schlepping his luggage to buying razor blades from a vending machine where "the dollar feeder's up so high I can't reach it, unless I find some trash can to stand on."

Fortunately, the night he needed the razor blades, a bellboy he'd tipped heavily earlier came by and helped.

Unlike Amy -- who would sometimes rather suffer than let somebody help her, determined her height never be an excuse for failure -- Matt admits his weaknesses and seeks others who can disguise them. He mentally catalogs the talents of every person he meets and, if he ever needs that talent, calls them.

Some people don't even realize they have a talent until Matt tells them. "I never would have gotten into real estate if Matt hadn't asked," says his business partner, Dick Mann of Northwest Portland. Mann takes care of anything having to do with numbers because Matt's an impatient, go-with-his-gut guy.

"I think of Matt like a kite, flitting around all over the place getting ideas -- and

I'm the string that keeps him grounded," says Mann, 52, who's also Matt's partner in a butterfly kit business. Matt has a third business dismantling barns; he uses the old wood to build his creations.

Matt's met a lot of America's estimated 20,000 to 100,000 dwarfs at Little People of America conventions: He can name a dwarf politician, a dwarf doctor and a dwarf lawyer. But he also knows that 25 percent of little people are unemployed, mostly because they don't want to deal with the average-size world. Before she met Matt, Amy hated applying for jobs, fearful she wouldn't be hired because she was short and paranoid she'd be hired out of pity.

But Matt always has shoved himself into the spotlight, more than willing to exchange stares for an E-ride on life's edge. Risk puts him on equal footing with men twice his size; the greater the risk, the greater his glory.

Everything he does, he goes all out, whether it's risking half his fortune on a dicey but potentially lucrative real estate deal, racing his dune buggy at breakneck speed around his property, jacking up a barn by himself or building massive bonfires.

Of course, danger has its downside. He sprained his foot when he dropped the barn on it, and he flipped the tractor digging out the pond, landing upside down in the dirt. He also spent five days in the hospital recovering from second-degree burns after a helper mistakenly poured gasoline instead of diesel fuel on a bonfire in the making.

"When I lit the match," Matt says, "the explosion literally blew me 10 feet backwards out of my crutches."

Lessons for his children

Matt hobble-runs down the soccer field, kicking his crooked legs at balls he usually misses, in an impromptu game that pits Jeremy and Matt against Zachary and Amy. Long-legged Jeremy scores the first goal. Ten minutes later, Matt huffs and puffs off the field, leaving Jeremy to face the dwarf duo, who prove too swift and soon win the game.

Jeremy is used to winning and is plenty steamed at losing. He stomps to the pond, sits on a rock and fumes.

"You can't win all the time," Amy yells across the lawn at her pouting son.

"It wasn't a fair game!" Jeremy yells back.

"Life isn't fair sometimes," Amy yells back.

Dwarfs learn this early in life, when other kids call them midgets or ignore them. Already Zach -- who stands a full head shorter than his twin brother -- hears the whispers and feels the stares. He knows that no matter how hard he tries, no matter how hard he practices, he never can be as good a soccer player as Jeremy.

The Roloffs knew when they decided to become parents that the odds were 50-50 whether their children would be dwarfs. Sometimes they wish they'd had another dwarf child so Zach would have a like-size playmate; his nearest dwarf friend lives in Seattle.

As small as Zach feels, Jeremy feels just as large, acutely aware of the inches between himself and his parents. "Sometimes I feel like I'm in this bubble," the lanky boy says, "and all the little people in my house are in this other bubble."

Matt tells his children size has nothing to do with success, plucking proof from his childhood to help them understand: At age 12, on a modified Schwinn 10-speed, he had a paper route twice as long as other kids. At age 15, while his average-size peers flipped burgers at McDonald's, he bought and sold cars.

He also thinks it is better to be upfront than to try to hide what can't be hidden.

He often speaks at his children's school or in other classrooms to help dispel false notions about little people.

His parents felt the same way, three times over. Matt's older sister, Ruth, now 38 and married, was born a "perfect specimen," as Peggy Roloff puts it. But brother Josh, 33, suffers from a congenital heart problem, and brother Sam, 30, is a diastrophic dwarf dependent on crutches.

"We took it as a challenge," says silver-haired Ron Roloff, an ex-Marine and retired truck driver.

"We accepted our kids, and with the Bible behind us, we figured whatever problems they had, we could deal with it."

Matt knows his parents tried to make his childhood as normal as possible, even though he spent nearly three years in a hospital recuperating from 15 bone-altering surgeries. For an additional two years, he lived in neck-to-ankle body casts.

"I'd wake up after these surgeries," Matt says, his voice trembling at the memory, "where they had cut out part of a bone in my foot, or my knee or my hip, and I could actually feel where they had cut out the piece, and it hurt so bad."

His brother Sam endured similar surgeries. To compensate, every time the boys got out of the hospital, their parents either had a big party or went on a trip.

Matt best remembers the trip to New York when Ron Roloff rigged pulleys on the Volkswagen van's ceiling to suspend his sons -- both in body casts -- so they could move around on the road.

"We looked like slabs of beef hanging there," Matt says.

Building a partnership

Matt offers equality for all in his family, short or tall. He and Amy did not lower counter tops when they bought and remodeled the house eight years ago. They wanted to maintain resale value and didn't want their average-size children to have to stoop as they grew up. Instead, footstools litter the kitchen and bathrooms.

When Matt goes inside for a fruit drink, Amy's standing on a stool washing dishes. She's shaking her head, because Matt's talking about the children becoming filmmakers when they grow up. He videotapes every aspect of his life and predicts his children will have the same passion. He's had nonspeaking roles in several movies -- he played an ewok in "Return of the Jedi" and a munchkin in "Under the Rainbow" -- but acting doesn't interest him as much as filmmaking.

Amy rolls her eyes at this plan. That means it probably won't happen because she oversees all aspects of the children's education. "I want them to be doctors or lawyers or something else remarkable,'' she says firmly. "They can make movies as a hobby."

Matt smiles at Amy because he thinks she's right. He can't imagine life without his "sweetie."

"She takes care of me," he says so tenderly that Amy turns away from her chore to meet her husband's eyes. "She's the one who makes me responsible."
Especially, he knows, when it comes to raising the children. Matt's good at the fun stuff, but all his wheeling, dealing and building leave little time for the daily duties of child-rearing.

It's 95-pound Amy, in her size 4 Nordstrom blue jeans and extra-small preppy shirts and sweaters, who runs Molly to preschool and dance lessons, or the twins to private Christian school in Beaverton and soccer practices, or chases Jacob around the house. She also takes the children to Cedar Mill Bible Church on Sundays (Matt goes when he's not working), buys the groceries, cooks and does the laundry.

When Matt met Amy in 1986 in Dearborn, Mich., she had resigned herself to a life without love or children. She had dated only twice -- in contrast to Matt, who dated lots of women of all sizes.

The two didn't get together until after they met at the convention -- when Amy, living with her folks in Michigan, doggedly wrote him in San Jose until he responded. Their romance moved swiftly; they spent a total of three weeks together before their wedding in September 1987.

"Ever since he proposed, I've been on a big adventure," Amy says, stepping down from the stool to wrap her arms around her husband's neck. "If I had not married Matt, I never would have experienced what I've experienced. I used to think that I wasn't good enough for anyone.

"Matt made me feel worthwhile."

Another great day

At midnight, when Matt crawls in bed, he rubs his scarred feet up and down the sheets, as he always does. Tingles shoot up and down his spine, as they always do. He's performed this nightly ritual since age 16, the last year doctors forced him to wear leg-straightening braces to bed.

He pulls Amy into his arms, and then his eyes drift to the window and his world beyond. In the moonlit night, he sees the pirate ship, the treehouse and the Top of the World. His favorite fantasy -- the one where Disney calls to say the Magic Kingdom needs a guy like him -- dances through his mind.

"Today's been a great day, sweetie," he tells Amy, kissing her cheek and shutting his eyes. Soon, he sleeps and dreams that he's flying.

Dreams that he's flapping his crutches across the sky.

-- By Michelle Mandel of The Oregonian staff


Jocelynn said...

Thanks Spirit, you're the best! I had never seen this. THAT's the family I fell in love with.

Cindy said...

Great article. It's kind of sad. They seemed so happy and loving.

DJ said...

Proof that more is not necessarily better.

Sheri said...

It was a lovely article, except for one part. Spirits, both you and Michelle Mandel should be ashamed. It isn't necessary to attempt to embarrass Jeremy. The author should know better. Referring to Jeremy as "Amy's pouting son" is totally uncalled for.

Anonymous said...

Matt is the man! Great to read. Thanks.

Chris F said...

Matt lives the dream of every man :)

Justin said...

Haha, proof that Jeremy is douche bag. Jer always won. When he didn't he threw tantrums. Then as a 16 year old (many times before that I bet) he demolished his 9 year old brother in soccer and made fun of Jake for walking away depressed.

Rachael said...

Wow, that was so beautiful. I actually teared up reading it. The ending was perfect.

Monica said...

Thanks so much for this Spirits!

How adorable are those pictures? Awwww! My favorites are Jer and Zach outside in the cave thing and Matt holding Jake. Matt looked so strong and healthy.

Terra said...

Where are the Jake bashers/Jeremy lovers now? Didn't we hear that Jeremy was the perfect child and why can't Jake be more like Jeremy? "Her pouting son"...I love it. lol. Kind of funny too. Jeremy is used to playing against dwarves and kids 7 years younger and he said it wasn't fair because he lost. He was a jerk at 7 and he's still a jerk at 19.

Spirits, I agree with what you said. As much as I don't like Matt, the article does a good job of highlighting all of Matt's good points. I admire him for never putting limitations on his dreams.

They actually seemed happy back then.

Debbie said...

What a lovely article. I hope Michelle Mandel went onto great things. I wish someone would write a story that good about me :) I hope the Roloffs gave her a cut of their now fortune. :)

Lynn said...

That was the best. I think Amy should read and remember how thankful she should be to Matt.

Brandon said...

I thought the same thing about the soccer game. If I remember right, Jake's exact words were "It wasn't fair" after Jeremy creamed him. So what do you know? Saint Jeremy was just like "brat boy" Jake....calling all Jeremy worshippers :)

Dana said...

Thanks for posting it, I enjoyed reading it.

Matt is a wonderful person. One of a kind. Thank you Matt!

Sheri, I agree with you about the Jeremy part.

It makes me sad for Jeremy. Amy shouldn't have reacted that way to him. He was 7. I imagine she was like this to Jeremy most of his life, until the last couple of years.

They could have done a better job being aware of JEREMY feeling different. Thankfully Matt is there and Jeremy and Matt have a bond.

William said...

Nice read. Thanks Spirits. This is the BEST Roloff site. This was long before Matt's first DUI and before he lost his job. I wonder if that's when Amy's feelings for Matt changed? I agree she sounded like she was in love with Matt.

Rap541 said...

What a nice articles and I am glad you were able to include all the pictures, Spirit!

Sheri - "Referring to Jeremy as "Amy's pouting son" is totally uncalled for."

Why do you say that? He was pouting after losing. I have heard Amy give the same lecture to Jake... Does it ruin your image of how Jeremy is perfect?

It's perfectly normal for kids to pout and whine about losing. Its normal when Jake does it and it's normal when Jeremy does it... and Jeremy does it. Seems like he was pouting a bit after not making ODP too. It happens, Jeremy isn't perfect, and he's not Jesus and that means his entire childhood was not a testamnt of perfect behavior.

JW said...

Fab article. Well written. Heart warming. Insightful.

Just one question. How did she write the article? The part at the end sounds like a play by play,

"At midnight, when Matt crawls in bed, he rubs his scarred feet up and down the sheets...
He pulls Amy into his arms, and then his eyes drift to the window and his world beyond...kissing her cheek and shutting his eyes. Soon, he sleeps..."

Was Michelle Mandel in the room?? ;) If she got all that from Matt, then well, Matt is was always a salesman.

Tay said...

There is no comparison to Jacob.
Jeremy was 7.
Jake is 12 and still acting like that.

Poor Jeremy :(

Scooter said...

I didn't realize how obsessed Matt was with Disney. Did Discovery Communications replace Disney in his dreams? I think all of the scandals (the DUII arrests, Jeremy's racist words) probably wiped the hopes of those away.

Judy said...

Bring on the left wing tree hugging radicals, but to me there is a main difference between now and then. It worked back then because it was a traditional marriage.

Matt, the man, worked. Amy, the woman, raised the kids. Amy new her place. With the kids, being appreciative of Matt. Then she got complacent and ungrateful and now complains that Matt isn't involved with the kids when that was her job.

Brokenwing said...

I had never seen that before. Great to read. I agree about it being bitter sweet to read about Matt's health in better times.

Nice pictures too.

I also thought the Jeremy part about feeling like he was in a different bubble from the LPs in his house was sad. I don't think people sympathize enough with Jeremy for the feelings he felt. It couldn't have been easy for him to grow up different than his parents.

Sheri, I was thinking the same thing. The only fault with the article was trying to embarrass Jeremy by describing him like that. It didn't add anything to the article. It was unnecessary.

Kayla said...

Poor Amy. No one should ever feel worthless. Cute pictures too. They did sound happy.

David said...

It's a great read and they do come off as likeable.

Yes, I can see why they were appealing to the television networks.

I did think Matt has shades of "Balloon boy's" dad in him or vice versa. Videotaping every aspect of his lives, dreaming of partnering with Disney is kind of fame-whorish.

Greg said...

Jake probably learned most of what he does from Jeremy. Wonder what Jeremy would have been like if he wasn't always used to winning?

Jim said...

Loved seeing the barn in development. Matt is a man's man. He deserves everything he has. He dreamed it. He created it. He did it.

It's too bad that today he only has Jeremy, the rest grew to be ungrateful.

Michael said...

He'd rather be compared to Dustin Hoffman then the Hobbit. Great line. True. I think Matt looked more like Richard Gere than Hoffman.

Serena said...

I love the Roloffs! Ron is a great father. Bless the Roloffs.

Karen said...

Matt is awesome. Right there. They owe it all to Matt. If only we could freeze time.

Sharron said...

I love the Roloffs. Thank you for posting this.

AdamJ said...

The picture around the camp fire. You can see why Matt used to be very good at wrestling.

It is a bummer that his health has went downhill this much, but most people do look and felt better 10 years ago.

Timothy said...

Shhh...Rap you're making sense. Jake is the devil child. Jeremy was always the perfect saint of a child.

You're totally right of course. Pouting when a kid loses a game is normal. But Jeremy fans decided to re-write history and decided that Jeremy never pouted. They took it further by deciding that Jake should be strung up for not being like Jeremy who always a good sport...which he wasn't as we know for a fact now.

Timothy said...

By the way, I also see why Hollywood or New York would have been calling.

The Roloffs used to come off as much more likable than they do in the last couple of years.

No matter what anyone says (usually the subjects themselves), fame and fortune change people for the worse.

E said...

What happened to Matt's old business partner?

I'm just digesting how old this article was. It was before they knew Mike Detjen.

Dina said...

"Sometimes they wish they'd had another dwarf child so Zach would have a like-size playmate"

Hmm. Don't know if I like that statement. It's kind of like saying they wish Jeremy wasn't Jeremy.

I would have rather seen them say they are happy with what God gave them than wishing something was different. God blessed them with Jeremy as an average sized child.

Rap541 said...

"Hmm. Don't know if I like that statement. It's kind of like saying they wish Jeremy wasn't Jeremy."

But in fact they didn't say "We wish Jeremy wasn't Jeremy." Wishing for another dwarf child does not mean they resented any of the three average height kids from being average height. Thats one.

Two - if they did resent any of the children being average height, it would be Molly or Jake, since those are the children they had AFTER Zach with the possible intent of having another dwarf child.

I know we like to look for "Poor poor much maligned Jeremy who nobody loves" but really, unless you're willing to prove "Matt and Amy said they resent Jeremy not being a dwarf" is a fact, you're maligning them for no reason.

Rap541 said...

Tim I know, it really amuses me how people are acting as though the reporter should be strung up for her "terrible" comments. Really, praps we should all beg Jeremy's pardon for reading it? Perhap people who had a problem with the content could demand a retraction?

Poor Jeremy must be emotionally shattered by this.

Anonymous said...

Matt is such a cool dad doing all that for his kids. They are all very lucky to have him and Amy too.

tempusfugit33 said...

Judy, I am a tree-hugging left wing liberal (whatever the heck that's supposed to mean) and I happen to agree with you. The bottom line is Matt worked then and does not now. Amy's worried about the future after the show ends and I understand because of his unemployment previously, they were in dire straits financially. That ruins a relationship. That's what probably happened there.

Kit said...

Interesting - if you read carefully, it foreshadows a lot of the issues we're discussing today. It's true that differences attract, but they also repel. Over 20+ years, some couples are able to adapt and compromise for each other; others aren't.

tempusfugit33 said...

Rap, you have to take those comments from where they came.

Lynn said...

Kit, it foreshadows because Matt made his dreams come true. He had a vision, today we see he was successful. Matt made it all happen.

Rap541 said...

But at what cost, Lynn?

Kansas said...

Did Matt lie about some of those stories?

He also spent five days in the hospital recovering from second-degree burns after a helper mistakenly poured gasoline instead of diesel fuel on a bonfire in the making.

"When I lit the match," Matt says, "the explosion literally blew me 10 feet backwards out of my crutches."

That was the story he told around the fire on the show. I could be wrong, but in that story wasn't it when he was a child and his dad was there? In this article he's saying it was a helper?

Tashapork said...

One thing to consider is that raising young children is easier for most people than raising teenagers and younger parents cope with the ups and down sometimes easier than older ones. I think part of the problem is people's tendencies to either put someone on a pedestal or find fault in everything they do based on their own personal bias. Matt and the rest of his family are human beings trying to do the best they can for who they are. The same personal attributes can be terrible or wonderful depending on a given situation or point of view. It's also why there is so much shock when Jeremy makes stupid teenage remarks or Matt gets a DUI or Jon Gosselin has an affair, They aren't supposed to be human. Then after they do those things some people can't appreciate anything good that they do. I wish they would do an episode of going back and reminiscing about when the kids were young.

Jocelynn said...

Tashapork, I really like your episode idea about reminiscing about the kids when they were young. That would be new and fun to watch and hear about.

I disagree with you a bit about why people are shocked when the Roloffs do "human" things. Don't blame the fans or the public. It's how the Roloffs sell themselves. It's what the Roloffs publicly say about themselves.

Jeremy told people he didn't drink because he was guided by God, that he lectures other kids about using the M word because it's derogatory.

That's why people are shocked when they learned about Jeremy using slurs or stories about him getting drunk. It's not the fans putting them on pedestals. It's the Roloffs telling lies and presenting an image that isn't true. No one would have been shocked by those things (maybe some of his nasty language) if Jeremy didn't lie about it and say he didn't do those things.

I think it's fair that people think the Roloffs should be held out to certain moral standards because that's how they present themselves. They did write a book Big Values.

NJC said...

Thank you for posting this great article.

I can't believe that some people are complaining that the writer mentioned that Jeremy was pouting when he lost the game. What was she supposed to do, lie? Her point wasn't to belittle Jeremy, it was to point out the life lesson provided by losing. She certainly wasn't trying to embarrass him. You would have to be insane to think less of a 7yo for pouting after losing a game. That's what 7yo's do.

It was really interesting to see how self aware Jeremy was at that young age. For a 7yo to put together that whole bubble analogy is pretty impressive. Although most outsiders would see it as a blessing, being average size with dwarf parents could make a kid feel like an outsider at points during his childhood.

Jocelynn said...

NJC, great post. You made a very good point about the bubble analogy. That was impressive for Jeremy to say that at 7.

Rap541 said...

NJC the problem with Jeremy being acknowledged as "pouting" is that a portion of the fanbase simply denies Jeremy ever ever acts poorly. You'll note that I, not a fan of Jeremy's - have not vilified him and has noted that this is normal and I have been attacked. Jeremy is NOT Jesus, he has flaws and this is an example of one and the weird hysterics over how awful the reporter was are pretty hilarious considering how the same people call Jeremy's younger brother a brain damaged slutty skank for imitating Jeremy.

Em said...

Spirits, thanks a million for dusting off this great article and bringing attention to it. I'm glad I was able to read it now. 11 years late. LOL.

NJC, I was thinking along the same lines. Maybe Jeremy is a smarter kid than most give him credit for?

I would actually like to hear more about that. They never talk about that on the show. Did Jeremy feel like an outsider? It seems like he did at seven. Leave the stage drama out of the tv show and talk about what it was like for the family.

I'm surprised because Jeremy doesn't talk about it now, but I'm not surprised at the same time.

I remember seeing Jen Montzingo's brother (Pete?)posting on Myspace. He has it worse than Jeremy did. Both his parents are LPs, Jen is LP, another brother Andrew is LP and then this Pete. I forget exactly what he said when he was about 15, but he was upset because his parents said something about an LPA conference and he wasn't allowed to do something because he's not LP and doesn't belong to that group. Someone, I think it might have been Jeremy, told him that was horrible because he does belong to that group by association. I wish I had a better memory and could remember exactly what he said. I remember thinking that his parents were being very insensitive. If the roles were reversed, Avg. height parents excluding their one dwarf child and telling them they don't belong, wow, they would be called horrible parents.

I'm not trying to be all "everyone is unfair to Jeremy" but I imagine being the only (in this article, Molly was only 3, so that's probably what Jeremy felt like) average sized kid with LP parents and a LP sibling would face very subtle and unintentional discrimination on a daily basis.

Kit said...

Y'know, we all are who and what we are partly duie to our life experiences. Not one of us would be the exact same person if we had grown up in a different family or in different circumstances. We could say Amy suffered "subtle and unintentional discrimination" as the only LP in her family. We could say Zach encountered the same thing as the only LP on his soccer team and in his school. Molly encounters it by being the only girl. Jake encounters it by being the youngest.

I actually understand the LP parents who told their average height child he couldn't participate in a particular conference activity. I was a student overseas for a year. One group of students from another country used to have weekly get-togethers to speak in their native language. Even though I was extremely close friends with all of them, and dating one of them, I was not invited. It was their de-stress time, not having to think and translate everything they said. Sometimes, when the differences that separate you from other people are extreme, you want and need to be with people just like you, who really understand what you're going through. Look how "isolated" Amy felt growing up - the LPA conventions were her only chance to be with other LPs.

Since I don't know any of the particulars, I'm not commenting on that specific event, but just saying I can understand.

As for other comments, I will only say that IMO, no one in the family is a saint, and no one is a devil. However, they have chosen to make their lives our entertainment. They are rewarded handsomely for that, but it opens their lives to our scrutiny and criticism as well. If they were famous for anything other than their lives, I would say we have no business knowing or caring about their private life, but that is their sole claim to fame. "If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen." They can, at any time, step away from the limelight and regain their claim to privacy. Until that time, I don't think they have a right to complain about anything that is said about them.

M said...

That was a nice article. Really shows how things really changed for the Roloffs. All the Roloffs seemed so happy (even Jeremy... bubbles or pouting aside) and now look at them. Un happy marriage, spoiled kids and the Roloff LP mansion. They really drive the point... less is more. The more they got the more the more un happy it made them. Its sad to see Amy and Matt in love and then flash froward 11 years and such unhappiness and love loss with each other. Its shocking what 11 years can do to a family. You'd think Matt would teach his children work ethic... they don't do much(no jobs/grades) the polar opposite of what Matt SAYS he was at their age.

I wonder if the lp friend in Seattle was Jen.
It was interesting to see what Sven said about Matt he really has been around a long time.

I agree with the person who commented saying something about was the reporter in the room with them when they went to bed. It sure sounded like it! lol Ha after all that they we're well you can leave now. we're done. bye. lol

M said...

Also does anyone else notice the pirate ship looks different or is it just me? Hes also been working on the tower of terror for over 11 years! wow... i'd be afraid to use it when he does get it done its just been sitting their rotting all these years.

Roloffsrule said...

Such a beautiful family! Shame on you Godless people for trying to tear down that beautiful boy Jeremy. He is truly a gift from God!!

NJC said...

Shame on you Roloffsrule. That's the most sanctimonious nonsense I've ever heard. Since when do you get to decide who has God and who doesn't? You don't think you can have God and mention that a kid was pouting? Baloney!

I can't help thinking of Monty Python when I read some of these comments about Jeremy. "He is not the messiah he is a very naughty boy!" (Obviously he's neither but it's still funny)

Roloffsrule said...

The "writer", aka slanderer, is obviously jealous of this fine Christian boy. The green eyed monster is there for all to see when she makes these types of comments. Those who twist the truth in order to sell print copies ARE Godless heathens.

A silly Monty Pythons reference? Ah yes, the authors of such vile trash as the Life Of Brian, a movie that mocks the life of Christ. You might as well wear a neon sign around your neck that says "I hate Christians".

You have bared your wretched soul for all to see NJC. I strongly recommend you seek spiritual help before it is too late.

Rap541 said...

Well, NJC, RolloffRules's comment is exactly why some people are concerned about his ego getting out of check.

The behavior described? Pouting? Hardly murder, and very typical, complete with a mother handling it by telling him he can't win every time. If it was Jake, there would NO protest that Amy was out of line, or that the reporter was out of line for describing the incident. Not a word of protest.

But it IS Jeremy so therefore Amy was being harsh and being verbally abusive.

Everyone who thinks Amy was out of line - I ask this seriously- What *should* Amy have done? Let Jeremy win? Rush oer and hug him and wipe his tears and tell him he really did win? Apologize to her seven year old for winning and beg his forgiveness and tell him he's always the best ever and it wasn't fair and she and Zach were being bad people?

Obviously some of you think Amy was out of line to tell a pouting child that he can't win every time and needs to be a good sport, so tell us, what *should* she have done?

Really, its perfectly ridiculous to vilify Amy and this reporter for depicting Jeremy honestly. Does anyone think the reporter was lying? Is that it?

Declaring it wrong to speak ANY word of criticism of Jeremy, while calling his brother a brat, a skank, a slut, and brain damaged for the same behavior, has gone way past hypocritical.

Get it through your heads, he was pouting and saying he manfully shook his mother and brother's hand and said good game when he actually ran off in anger is a)Lying and b) really holding Jeremy to a standard that no one can live up to. This is at best a mild point of criticism... Does anyone want to call CPS and tell them AMy Roloff was verbally abusing her boy?

Or was she just being a mother, and doing something that wouldn't be criticized at all if it was one of her other children?

Penny said...

Well, for once, I actually agree with you Rap.

Amy was in no way being abusive to Jeremy. She was simply stating the fact that you win some, you lose some. That is a life lesson that all parents should teach their children. You cannot win all the time, that's life and life is not fair.

Also, that is a totally typical reaction for a 7 year old. Has anybody really ever heard of a young child going and saying, "hey, good game".

Sheri said...

Listen. It had nothing to do with the article. It wasn't necessary to include that part of it. The rest of the article was superb. That part detracts from the rest of it because she simply did not need to include it and attempt to embarrass a 7 year old child by referring to him as Amy's pouting son. It was not vital to the rest of the article.

He was a seven year old child. I do agree that is a typical reaction for a 7 year old.

Jacob's behavior can't be compared because he should have learned in the years since. He's 5 years older than Jeremy was then.

I will not discuss this further. It was not necessary for that to be included in the article. It is there to humiliate a child, who by his other quote was already aware of the family dynamics. Nothing more needs to be said on the subject than that. It added nothing to the article, thus, it should have been omitted.

Rap541 said...

Sheri - If you really believe Amy was wrong - what should she have done? He *was* pouting. Why is it bad to say the truth? Do you *really* hand to the bible believe the reporter and Amy were intentionally humilating Jeremy? Really? Swear it?

Jake was nine when he got the same lecture from Amy on national television and you seem to be applauding his public humilation. Why are you ok with Jake being humilated at nine but horrified at Jeremy getting the same lecture in a much less public setting at seven? It ADDED nothing to the show to see Jake yelled at at nine... why are you ok with it? Because you're a hypocrit and don't like Jeremy being revealed as a normal flawed person? Jeremy hangs his ass out at 17 and he's fine, and Jake does it at 12 and is a skanky slut?

Sheri - you're finding fault with Amy, so WHAT SHOULD SHE HAVE DONE? This isn't a hard question - you clearly think she was wrong and you're a parent right? Go ahead and tell us what you would have done with Jeremy in that same exact scenario.

I mean... you're not accusing the reporter of lying about what happened so indeed, Jeremy pouted because he didn't win.

Anonymous said...

I used to love this show. They have nothing in common with the average family now. What was wrong with their house before? Now it looks like a 5 star hotel! It is just as disrespected by the kids as the old one. Every episode is a vacation. Now lets see about their marriage. What a shame! Time to get their priorities in order again!

Anonymous said...

Sheri - He was pouting, Amy handled it appropriately, the writer reported it accurately & enabling excusers such as yourself have contributed heavily to Jeremy's development into the insufferable prick that he is today. Don't want to discuss it further, fine. Your opinion is not law, nor is it gospel, nor is it the last word on the subject. Neither is mine or anyone else's. Don't like that?....tough t*ts.

NJC said...

Hey Roloffsrule, from anyone else I might be insulted, but you are clearly unhinged. Saying that a child is pouting when he is pouting is not slander. Calling someone a Godless heathen slanderer when they are simply stating a fact is slander however.

You really seem to have lost touch with reality. Just how many extra copies of the magazine do you think this alleged Godless heathen sold by mentioning that a 7 yo was doing what every other 7yo in the world does after losing a game? Any normal person would understand that her point wasn't about the pouting it was about the parenting.

As for my wretched soul I'll put it up against yours any day. My belief isn't so fragile that it can be challenged by a silly movie. And unlike you I don't believe that I get to pick and choose who has God and who doesn't.

Tashapork said...

Jocelyn, I see what you mean about how the Roloffs sell themselves, but I wonder if part of it is how TLC is getting them to sell themselves to create a story and get ratings and get them a paycheck. I really see these shows as a social experiment and think there will be college courses about them and their impact on society some day. I don't think that means the shows have to stop only that that they have consequences good and bad and I don't think anyone has a good grasp on what they are. Jeremy was stupid to do what he did and he should be called out for it and face consequences, I just don't think that means he's a horrible person.

Dana said...

I can only speak for myself. I would NEVER humiliate my child like Amy did to Jeremy for very normal behavior. She should have known better than to do it in front of a reporter.

The newspaper reporter could have had the class to not write it the way she did. Like Sheri said, the article would have been fine without the digs at Jeremy.

That was the only negative part of the entire article. It was about 7 year old boy. That's not right.

Rap, Amy should not have responded as stated in the article. I would have quietly walked over to my child, without the newspaper reporter, and explained to him that sometimes he will win and sometimes he will lose. The important thing is to have fun. I would hug him and encourage more play, perhaps on a team where they work together.

Yelling across the field in front of the reporter like a snooty parent showing up her own son is wrong.

Rap541, while Jeremy's style of clothes have not always been my favorite, he was 17 years old and I despite what others say, I have never seen Jeremy parade across my tv screen with his jeans around his knees and his bare boxered cover butt exposed. If you all have seen that maybe you watch a different show than I do, in which case, I cannot comment on. I can only comment on what I see when I watch.

Rap541 said...

Dana - ifyou watch the show, episode where Jeremy was shaving his buddies heads had hm in his bare boxered butt in all it's skanky slut glory. If its acceptable to call a twelve year old a skanky slut, then his 17 year old brother really needs man up and wear his skanky slut shame :)

Dana - so in fact you have a problem with Amy's behavior so of course, when Jake was nine, and she did the same thing, you feel the same way, that Amy should not have humilated her son on national television? Correct?

And of course Matt who was present while his snooty wife verbally abused his precious best boy, is blameless, correct? I mean, he *was* there, and he did ALLOW the humilition without a word of protest.

Dana, really, if you seriously think poor Jeremy was humilated, and a child shoudn't be - then you need to start having a problem with how ALL of the Roloff children are depicted.

But I sense you don't give two craps about the lesser Roloff kids, just Jeremy Jesus

Lydisa said...

I read Roloffsrule's comments and started cracking up. Then I saw Rap and NJC respond to them as though Roloffsrule was being serious. That was sarcasm, right?

If it wasn't sarcasm, then my reaction is just "WTF? People actually think that highly of the Roloffs?" Roloffsrule, you are either hilarious or crazy.

Dana said...

I can't converse with you if you are going to lie or distort the facts.

"watch the show, episode where Jeremy was shaving his buddies heads had hm in his bare boxered butt in all it's skanky slut glory."

Not true. That was not on television.You can watch part of the head shaving on this You Tube clip. There is nothing Jeremy shows that comes close to what 12 year old Jacob did.

If you are refering to a picture that was posted in the the discussion after the Jacob episode, that is not valid. That was a private photo that some crazed fan dug up and posted. That is not the same as Jeremy strolling across our tv screens showing off his bare-boxered butt to the world.

If he did that, which he did not, I would not like it, but it still would not be the same as Jacob doing it. You are claiming Jeremy did this at 17. Jake was 12. Would you agree that a 12 year old should not dress the same as a 17 year old girl? Most would agree with that. You have no case, Rap541.

"Jake was nine, and she did the same thing"

You are not watching what I saw. Amy did not shout back at her upset son and make a snarky comment. She politely approached Jake at the picnic table, sat down and explained to him that losing to Jeremy will make him a better player and instead of getting angry, he should use it as a chance to learn. That was very different than what she said according to that newspaper reporter in the article.

Amy is a grown adult. Rap, you have a bad habit of trying to blame Matt for what Amy does. Matt cannot always save the day. The author didn't mention Matt except to say he exited the field. Don't pin it on Matt.

Dana said...

I can't pretend to know what Roloffsrule honestly believe, but I can tell you with all my heart that I agree with most of what she has posted. RR might rev it up a notch because it is frustrating to deal with people like Rap who has it in for Jeremy and Matt.

Whether you believe it or not, the Roloffs are Christian and fellow Christians like myself are very appreciative of the Roloffs for carrying on a Christian example on television and in the media. Being Christian in our anti-Christian society, a country that tries to keep God out of our schools, makes the Roloffs a target. That is evident in the hatred directed towards Jeremy who is a fine example of a young Christian.

Jeremy is a gift from God. I'm honestly surprised you would think that making that statement is sarcastic or whatever. Many Christian parents would give their left foot to have a son like Jeremy. I'm sorry if your hatred or dislike of Jeremy blinds you from that fact. He's a good boy that is faces repeated vicious attacks from the public. I believe it is because he stands for certain Christian values. When our society sees a young Christian who isn't afraid to declare his love of Jesus and his dedication to Jesus Christ, they are threaten and attempt to tear him down. Therefore we have the 'Jeremy Roloff scandal' or and what we see in almost everything which he is involved with.

Roloffsrule said...

Dana, may God bless you for such an insightful and loving Roloff post. Lately it seems this board is filled by an army of green eyed monsters. Yours is a refreshing and honest opinion.

I have no personal ill will towards any poster here. To me it's plain to see where their hate of the Roloffs originates from. We need the "Raps" and "NJC"s of this world to remind us the temptation of evil is always nearby.

God Bless

Rap541 said...

How exactly am I having it in for Jeremy here, Dana? I think what happened was perfectly normal and that Amy responded appropriately to a pouting seven year old. I honestly would be shocked if Jeremy at almost twenty still needed that sort of correction... but I see no reason to think it would happen.

I do have a problem with people saying it was "too embarrassing" for Jeremy when his siblings are put thru much worse in much more public settings. If Jeremy is the gift from God, are his siblings not?

Do you ever stop and consider how damaging it is to someone to puff up their ego like this? Dana, Jeremy wore his clothes out with his boxered butt hanging for the world to see. Really? I find it unattractive and a little immature... but you're the one with the impossible standard here - Jeremy is a gift from God, so it couldn't have happened, Jake is apparently not one of God's children (tell his parents that to their faces I dare you) and therefore is a slutty skank for the same behavior. Jake needs to be ground down publically for being a poor sport, but Jeremy shouldn't be embarrassed for the same behavior.

You demand that Jeremy be treated as a perfect god and then get upset when people rightly point out he is just like his siblings, flawed. You'll insist, once you read this post, that you don't consider Jeremy perfect like Jesus....that he's a regular young man, but when any evidence to his lack of perfection is found, you'll insist its a ie, or justify the behavior as actually good.

If you honestly feel the reporter and Amy were conspiring to intentionally humilate Jeremy... you have a serious problem with reality. You also really need toacknowledge that Matt allowed his wife and the reporter to humiliat his son. He was there, he didn't attempt to protect his god gift from the snooty wife, what about that?

Lydia - I have always been certain that Roloffrules is a troll, but the very fact that people like Dana jump on and agree and demand we all acknowledge Jeremy as a great Christian and a gift from God, while running his sibings into the dirt.... do you ever wonder what the other Roloff kids must think when they see these posts?

NJC said...

Hey Roloffsrule! Before you go on your delusional slanderous way, how about pointing out a single place where I have shown hate for the Roloffs. Don't waste too much time because you can't. As I've said before, I like the Roloffs and that's why I watch the show. And unlike you who has no ability to support a point of view without using your faith as a hammer, I actually like ALL the Roloffs, not just the chosen one.

And yes, I like Jeremy. Despite a couple of immature mistakes, he seems to be a supportive son and a good man in the making. Perhaps if you and some others weren't so eager to put him up on some impossibly high pedestal, others wouldn't be so eager to knock him down a step.

One last thing, I know it's difficult for you to use logic, but could you maybe explain to me, since ALL the Roloffs are Christian, why is it okay to attack Amy for parenting Jeremy the way she did? Isn't she a Christian? Isn't she worthy of the same kind of support? Oh, and what about Jacob? Is he somehow a lesser category of Christian too? Seems to me the only time I see the "God's gift" and the "they just hate on them because they're Christian" language being thrown around is when it's being used to support Jeremy and to a lesser degree Matt. I never see it rolled out when Amy or Jacob, a little 12yo, is under attack. Why is that? It's so confusing I mean some of the same people who use God to support Jeremy are using him to beat down Amy and Jacob. Doesn't make any sense to me, but maybe that's just my "wretched soul" interfering with my thinking.

NJC said...

Hey Dana!
As the "crazed fan" who posted the link to Jeremy sagging his pants while cutting his friend's hair, let me suggest a little something for you to do in your spare time. There's this thing called Google. You can use it to search the internet. Maybe you could try it out by putting Jeremy's name in there and searching Google images. See how long it takes you to find the picture I referenced. If you get past the second page stop you've gone too far. It doesn't take a crazed fan to find that picture. As you'll see, all it takes is a computer and 2 seconds to spare.

But I guess in your world I have to be a crazed fan, because no one in their right mind could possibly make an effort to support a 12 year old boy who's being called all the names in the book because he happened to be doing early morning chores around the house with his underwear showing.

Referencing that picture was by no means an attempt to attack Jeremy. It was an attempt to point out the hypocrisy of the "Jacob is the Devil, Jeremy is the second coming" set. I mean seriously, a little kid got out of bed to clean and his underwear was showing. Big friggin deal. But some like you still felt the need to use it as yet another occassion to praise your chosen one and destroy a young boy.

Maybe you could help me out and answer the same question I posed to RoloffsRule. Explain to me why those who post anything short of idolatrized praise for Jeremy are charactorized as Godless Christian haters, while anyone who posts even the nastiest stuff about young Jacob, also a Christian, is praised? It's a toughy.

Rap541 said...

Yeah I do love how its Christian and praise worthy for adult Christians to call a 12 year old a brain damaged slutty skank who is NOT Christian or godly. How nice. Makes me want to put my children out to these people to be judged since this is how Christian people act.

I mean really... Jake *needs to hear* how he's a brat, a skank, the worst of his family, not a Christian, slutty, and probably brain damaged, oh, and of course inappropriately smiling too much. NEEDS TO. He needs Christian adults to judge him as not Christian....

But Jeremy can't hear "you were a lil bit of a bad sport at seven"? Because the poor little boy can't bear with the embarrassment? His mother who was correcting him needs to be vilified for shaming him (although his father who was present and who allowed this shaming is of course Christian and blameless) because bless us no, although Jeremy isn't quite Christ, any criticism devastates him, and is ALWAYS unfair even tho he isn't perfect, he must never be let to think he's not perfect.

He's a gift from god, and its ok to let the other Roloff children know that Christian adults think Jeremy is a gift from God... but them... not so much.

Roloffsrule said...

NJC dear, my original post in this topic was a very general post about how I thought the writer and some people here were showing a very biased attitude against Jeremy. An attitude that clearly shows the green eyed monster is alive and well.

I did not point fingers at anyone. You took it upon yourself to assume I meant you. Perhaps the inner voice of guilt prompted you to speak up and make a fool of yourself. It may be God's way of showing you the errors of your ways.

Rap, perhaps you're a troll? :P

Now since you seem to have a clever talent of divining my thoughts, let me make some things clear. I don not approve of calling any 12 year old child a "skank" or a "slut". That is not acceptable. Can Jacob be a brat? Yes. Is he brain damaged? Well, the doctors have not found anything to suggest that, but sometimes these things take time to appear. I attribute some of the bad behavior to wacky hormones that most kids have as they start to enter puberty. That does not make him the devil child.

I never said Jacob was not a Christian nor did I say he was any less of a gift then any of the other Roloff children. They are all gifts from God. But it is plain to see (once you overcome your jealousy) that Jeremy is the one they all look up to. He is the role model for the other three. That's why Matt adores him so. He shares the same 'you can't hold me back' spirit as his son.

Rap541 said...

Try again, RR. I was referencing the several Christians here - people who call themselves christian, who have referred to Jake as not a a Christian, a brat, slutty, brain damaged, a skank, etc etc.

If you don't approve of the name calling, then perhaps you shouldn't encourage them. As for your views on how the kids look up to Jeremy? It's rather noticable that Molly and Jake both reference Zach as the brother who helps them out and that they have a close bond with. Sorry, but thats on camera.

Oh and no offense, but don't lie - you clearly reference NJC as one of your targets.

Unlike, you can't erase your comments here. And also NJC has a point - the writer, the one you lied before God, calling a slanderer, saw Jeremy pouting, which means its not slander.

Brokenwing said...

Rap, you can agree to disagree, but you if insist on debating a topic with people, I think you should try to be civil and acknowledge their points and their answers to their questions.

Dana, I thought your answer to Rap's question about how you would have handled the situation and the reasons why the instances with Jeremy and Jake are different.

Rap, you asked Dana a question. What did you think of her answer?

"I would have quietly walked over to my child, without the newspaper reporter, and explained to him that sometimes he will win and sometimes he will lose. The important thing is to have fun. I would hug him and encourage more play, perhaps on a team where they work together."

That was Dana's answer to your question. Everything can be second guessed, but I prefer Dana's approach to what Amy did.

Dana nicely illustrated the differences between the situations with Jeremy and Jake. I can't believe you're honestly comparing how a 12 year old dresses to a 17 or 18 year old. Personally, I don't think Jake's appearance that morning cleaning up was a big deal, but I can see why some people think it's inappropriate for a 12 year old. They have a different standard for Jeremy, not because he's Jeremy, but because of his age.

I'm not as heavy on the Christian element as Sheri, Dana or Roloffsrule (Is this the RoloffsRule from IMDB? I'm not sure. I don't remember RR being this nice to Jake...) but I understand their points.

The Roloffs are Christian, whether people think Jeremy is a good Christian or not, they are Christian and they have made it known. I'm not surprised that other Christians like them and want to support them.

Some people like yourself (Rap or Kit or NJC) obviously disagree, but I think Jeremy does stand out among the kids (except for Molly and she stays in the back a lot, doesn't get as much attention because of it), I'm not surprised that Jeremy earns praise from people. I like him the best. Rap I know this is the point where you go into a tirade about how Jeremy doesn't force TLC editors to give him a 10 minutes speech about his love of God, but Jeremy has made it known that he has deep religious beliefs, from the book to his answers on the internet a while ago about being happy with whatever God steers into his life. That's not the reason why I like Jeremy, but I can see why people are more religious than I am, like Jeremy the most.

That and personally I think Jeremy is more likable. There are also very real reasons why I think we all can agree that Matt is the most partial to Jeremy. IMO, that explains why a lot of people also like Jeremy the most. If Matt's favorite is Jeremy, don't you think it's logical that fans would also see the same things in Jeremy that Matt does?

Expressed said...

Rap :) My fellow reviewer :)

"It's rather noticable that Molly and Jake both reference Zach as the brother who helps them out and that they have a close bond with."

It depends on what you mean by look up to. Hey, I don't like Jake, but it is SO OBVIOUS that he looks up to Jeremy (he just doesn't do a very good job of being like Jeremy :) Zach is home more than Jeremy because Jeremy is more popular, social and adventurous than Zach.

But I wouldn't say Jake and Molly look up to Zach more than Jeremy. He's home with them more, that's all.

Molly doesn't really talk about Jeremy much on camera. I can't really say what I think Molly's relationship with Jeremy is like. Just because we don't see it on the show doesn't mean that she doesn't look up to Jeremy.

I'm actually surprised that you feel that Jake looks up to Zach and not Jeremy. When he was deciding about the BVI trip, noticed Jake said if Zach wasn't going, "no one would do anything with me", he didn't say "I don't want to do things with Jer". That's a big difference and gives it a different meaning. Jake does look up to Jeremy the most. I don't blame Jeremy for wanting to ignore the brat though. lol. :)

Anonymous said...

Oh please, Brokenwing, stop with the passive aggressive jibes about how Rap needs to be more civil. You and the rest of the Jeremy Brigade aren't any more polite.

Kit said...

But, but.. Expressed! I thought you said Jeremy was kind and caring and perfect. According to you and Dana and Brokenwing, he went out of his way to make the perfectest day possible for the make-a-wish kid, and he always speaks nicely about Matt, and he's never grumpy or bored like Zach or Jake.

Wouldn't a perfect Christian boy like that *want* to be with his younger brother and show him the way to perfectness? Instead of ignoring him and going off with his "more fun" friends?

I don't always agree with Rap, but one thing he says is true - If all the "Jeremy is a gift of god" posters would admit that Jeremy is not a perfect saint, then perhaps we wouldn't be constantly posting real-world examples of how that is not so. I've said it before - I don't think Jeremy is "bad to the bone" - but he's certainly not perfect, and not everything he does is done better than anyone in the whole universe has ever done it before. Why can't you let Jeremy be human? This constant praiseworship evokes the very responses you and others so dislike.

As for *my* response to Dana's question? It was an interview about the actual lives of the Roloffs, not the idealized lives of the Roloffs. They were on their farm, engaging in normal family activities. Much like a reality tv show (ahem), the intent was to profile the family as they normally are. The reporter was supposed to be "invisible." No one was supposed to be using company manners.

I don't know if Dana has any children, but I suspect not. Her response seemed very PC to me, the sort of thing I might have said before I had real children and real situations to deal with in real time. Having dealt with a "bad loser" in my own family, I would say that her response would only provide the additional attention the loser is seeking, and reinforce his/her belief that "the world must come to a stop when I lose." By treating it lightly, as Amy did, she gave the situation just about as much importance as it deserved, which was little to none.

The only thing I might have done differently would have been to simply ignore him and let him sulk as long as he liked, all by himself.

Roloffsrule said...

Silly Rap :P

Still twisting the words of others. Everyone can see for themselves I pointed the finger to no one in particular, other then a certain group, in my first post. NJC chose to take offense and went on the attack.

Nowhere have I applauded or encouraged Jacob being called such vile names. More slander.

I'm done with this nonsense. May God have mercy on your soul.

NJC said...

Roloffsrule dear, at no point did I indicate in my first response to you that I thought your inane comment was directed at me. So no, no inner voice of guilt prompted me to speak up. It was actually an inner voice that said people making ridiculous and mean spirited comments should be challenged.

As for who actually made a fool of themselves, I'll leave that for people other than you to decide. No offense, but I'm not overly impressed with your reasoning skills.

NJC said...

Seriously Brokenwing, it's commendable that you're calling for a more respectful discussion, but your calls would get a whole lot better response if they weren't so blatantly one sided. Godless, tree-hugging, wretched, crazed, to name just a few, aren't terms of endearment you know.

Rap541 said...

NJC - this is the pattern Brokenwing follows. Ask the folks from Basically, people don't praise Jeremy for everything are Brokenwing's targets. She's always right there, as the self appointed Board Mommy telling people she doesn't agree with that they're rude, unfair, too judgemental.... But if someone like Craw calls you stupid... Briokenwing just NEVER sees it and never seems to have her "you need to politely disagree" hat on. Trust me - she has no problem with Dana calling you "crazed" but if you called Dana "crazed" you would publically bitched out by one Board Mommy Brokenwing. The only people Brokenwing wants more respectful are people who have any problem with Jeremy.

Oh, and since Brokenwing will accuse me of putting words in her mouth... Brokenwing has not issued one "you need to be more respectful" comment to Dana for the "crazed fan" comment, or the "wretched", or the "godless" or the "tree hugging. Funny how all of the people being namecalled aren't in the "Jeremy" club and funny how all the insults are *coming from Jeremy's fans*... and especially funny how Board Momma Brokenwing who wants respectful discussions never has a word of protest when Jeremy fans name call.

Trust me - brokenwing won't respond and then will come back in about a week or so and insist she just never saw Dana call you a "crazed fan" for the horror of posting a publically acessible photo.