Friday, October 1, 2010

Video of Jeremy Roloff and Zach Roloff drinking at World Dwarf Games party

There is a new video out from the 2009 World Dwarf Games in Belfast, mostly from the end of Games party. Special thanks to the person that alerted us that this video was out there. Funny how the reality show always seems to miss filming these parts of events like this ;-) As a result, some Little People, Big World viewers have made the observation that Jeremy, Zach and their friends seem like such innocent young guys who would rather build forts with dad than get into "trouble" like is so common for other people their age.

Just in case anyone is wondering, the drinking age in Ireland is 18 years old. Jeremy and Zach Roloff were 19 at the time so all is good from that standpoint.


However, we can always anticipate what the discussion will center on any time there is something, be it comments, stories, or in this case pictures/video that links Jeremy Roloff and alcohol. So for people that don't know the backstory, this is it:


In the book by the Roloff Family: "Little Family, Big Values" there is a chapter where Jeremy is quoted talking about his devotion to God. There is this rather now infamous quote attributed to Jeremy Roloff:


"To me, having faith in God means that your life is different from other people's lives. You aren't better than they are, but you are different because God is living inside you. My faith in God keeps me from doing some of the negative things so many kids do -- drinking, drugs, and other things. My friends and I like to have fun and enjoy life, but we do it in ways we know show that we have faith in God and in ways that we know please him." -- Jeremy Roloff

However, even before that statement from Jeremy, fans had noticed comments between Jeremy and his friends on various social media sites where they discussed their drinking antics (the most famous story being when Jeremy and a friend commonly referred to as "Rempel" were 15, stole Matt's vodka, replaced it with Sprite and -- according to them -- proceeded in their drunkeness to accidentally set the side of the Roloff barn on fire with firecrackers...), referred to bring the "drink" and the "stuff" (in quotes). Some of Jeremy's friends had pictures of them with booze and other drunk pictures. In general, I think it's fair to say that most people familiar with Jeremy (off the show) and his friends would say that they never gave the impression of being squeaky clean kids that were so unlike the majority of kids -- as Jeremy claimed in the book.

Due to that statement -- it became an issue between fans. Anytime people would see the above mentioned things, a segment of people would say Jeremy and the Roloffs are liars and anyone that believed him was very naive. That faction of people said it was a line and a lie to appeal to the religious Christian market because that can be a gold mine in book sales. Adoring Christian fans of Jeremy and the Roloffs would get very offended and annoyed at the accusation that Jeremy was lying and was using God to lie; Jeremy said that he and his friends didn't drink and didn't do that "other stuff", so he didn't because Roloffs don't lie and Jeremy loves Jesus.

Even at this specific event - the 2009 World Dwarf Games in Belfast, Ireland. Some people posted saying they attended and Jeremy was doing shots with them at the party. Some Roloff fans warned others not to believe internet posters as they can claim anything and said they felt it was a lie (you can watch the video and decide what you believe about "the shots" issue).

For the record, I think it's worth noting that several different people have reported mentioning this issue to many different friends of Jeremy, saying that he's a liar and a hypocrite. The general response is not "How dare you accuse Jeremy of drinking"...but rather "So what? What teenager doesn't drink and smoke, etc" -- I believe a lot of Jeremy's friends used to be forthcoming about it because most of the Roloffs friends never paid any attention to the Roloffs PR -- so I don't think most of them were aware that Jeremy was telling everybody that they were so unlike most teenagers and it was due to their faith in God. We have heard from a few people more recently who say they've asked Jeremy in person about some of those things and Jeremy maintains his public image -- that he and his friends are really good kids that don't drink and don't "smoke" and Jeremy reportedly says he prays for people that gossip and tell these lies about him.


So that's why this issue always gets so much attention. It's not because people are shocked that a teenager drinks and parties or that they're shocked Jeremy is like that too -- it's because Jeremy is on record denying that he does and says he doesn't because he is pleasing God by not drinking and not engaging in those "other things" that are common for people his age.


So with no further delay, the video from Belfast!

147 comments:

Brandon said...

Ha!

Who is going to eat crow? Anyone still think those stories that LP girls were telling about doing shots with Jeremy in Belfast were lies?

Cathy said...

Great video! :) Roloffs and their friends knows how to Par-Tay!

Em said...

Jeremy drunk!

Greg said...

Yet another lie Jeremy is caught in. Good explaination Spirits. It is not the drinking that makes this objectionable. It is the fact he pretends to be something he is not. He lies about not consuming alcohol because of his love of God.

Christine said...

"Jeremy reportedly says he prays for people that gossip and tell these lies about him."

That's what I can't stand about Jeremy. Well, there's lots of things, but he's so frickin smug...even when he's lying! I can totally believe he's one of those people who are always saying "I will pray for you!" when he's wrong or lying about something as he usually is.

Ashley said...

Lol. Look at the color of Jeremy's tongue. What kind of shots do you think he was doing to make his tongue that color?

Susan said...

I don't think the only lie being told is about Jeremy not drinking because he claims he is guided by God.

Where is the shy Zach Roloff in social party situations? They spent 4 years on the show telling us that Zach is shy in a room full of people. If I'm not mistaken, they even showed him at the world dwarf games and made him look like he was in a shell. He doesn't look shy to me...

Tony said...

Looks like fun! I want a drink now! lol.

Justin said...

Jeremy looks wasted. Several different times.

Expressed said...

I love this! Jeremy would be a great guy to party/drink with :) I'm jealous of all those LP girls.

This is the stuff they should have put on tv. The ratings would be better. This is what I wanted to see of Jeremy in Belfast. Think of the fun they could have had with the previews.

As the games come to a close, the Statesmen including Jeremy get drunk at the end party.

That would have got huge ratings!

Janelle said...

Zach dancing?? He does not look afraid of girls like he does on the show

Timothy said...

I never bought the crap about Jeremy being a sweet Christian boy that thinks about God instead of drinking. He's a liar, just like Matt. They have no guilt about it, even when it's a lie that uses God to sell books. They have no shame.

Rap541 said...

Man.... I can't watch this until I get home from work :)

Someone wanna recap? ;)

tay said...

jeremy looks wasted. he would be fun to party with. who cares that he lies about not drinking? doesn't everyone lie to their parents and adults about not drinking?

Dana said...

Get a hold of yourselves people. What is the big deal?

Jeremy was legally celebrating dwarf athletic achievements by having an alcoholic drink at a party. All seemed to be having a good time. At athletic events like that there usually is a post tournament wrap up party. Jeremy was having a good time celebrating with dwarfs.

What Jeremy said in the Christian book Little Family, Big Values was that he did not engage in underage drinking like other teens that aren't focused on God like Jeremy is.

It does not exclude him from ever having alcohol in his body. Jesus did not forbid alcohol. Jesus made water into wine.

All I take from the video is what I already knew. Jeremy did nothing wrong. He was legally drinking, he was being very friendly to LPs. He was embracing Zach's tournament celebrations.

Vicky said...

Wow. The Manuels look trashed. So does Jeremy.

David said...

Just another lie in the growing number for Jeremy. Not shocking.

Nicole said...

Yeah Jeremy lied, but he looks hot.

David said...

I wonder how the sponsors feel?

Everybody can see where the money went. That Irish bar must have got a lot of the sponsorship money.

It's too bad there is greedy people like the Roloffs that take charity money when they don't need it when there are so many needy organizations and people that could really benefit from it. I

nstead of giving it to a bunch of tv stars so they get to play soccer and then get drunk in a bar.

Carol said...

Matt might not be the only Roloff that should be "re-evaluating my relationship with alcohol". I spotted Jeremy with about 5 or 6 different drinks.

Bev said...

Is that Molly smoking with Jeremy? I know that's Jeremy outside with the giant beer, but the girl with the smoke? Is that Molly? It might not be, it sort of looks like her.

Jason said...

Everyone with an inch of sense already knew Jeremy was a lying sack of crap. Oh I am so much better than the rest of the world. I hate hypocrites like Jeremy.

Kayla said...

Oh c'mon ppl. It looks like a good party! I knew Jeremy would kick back and throw a few back!

Anonymous said...

This is what all the "Statesmen" events are about. Drunken partying under the guise of charity or education. They have the sweet set up. Use the label of charity to get a free get together to get smashed together.

Katie said...

This explains why Jeremy always tags along to the dwarf basketball games. lol. He doesn't want to miss the chance to get hammered.

Anonymous said...

Memories! Great times! Btw Jeremy wasnt the only one that had too much. I think we all did. Haha.

Diane said...

Oh Jeremy Roloff, another lie told, another lie outed.

Heather said...

Where was Matt? I'm surprised Matt isn't in any of this? A bar and no Matt? I agree with other comments.

Greg said...

It's sad that some people think this is a revelation. It proves how stupid people are.

Anyone with a brain knows Jeremy has been drinking for years. It takes this for people to say this is prove that he's not the saintly guy that spends his time being guided by God? It's yet another Roloff lie in the name of money.

Melissa said...

I know Jeremy lied, but other than that it looked like a fun time. I wish I was there!

Nadia said...

Whoa, is that Jeremy groping that girl's breasts?? The girl in the white shirt.

Melissa said...

Bill, Jeremy and the Manuels look like the biggest party animals and the most wasted. Adam too.

Ela said...

I can tell by looking at the video that Jeremy is one of those people whose face gets flushed when he's drunk.

Em said...

Nadia, thats Jeremy! He has his arm around her pointing to her Statesmen tattoo on her back, but yeah, his arm is obviously around her boobs. I guess she doesnt mind. Jeremy probably would nt have done that had he been sober. Lol.

Timothy said...

It wasn't filmed for the episode because the LPBW crew is arguably the most unprofessional crew in "reality tv". They probably shut down everyday at 4pm so they could party with everybody at night.

Michelle said...

I am surprised Matt doesn't use this as a reason to praise Jer for his brotherly mentoring of Jake. Is it sweet that Jeremy and one of his many giant glasses of booze is with Jake standing beside him.

Annette said...

Could Jeremy's jeans be any tighter? How can he breathe in those? Not that I'm complaining.

Anonymous said...

Was Jeremy the only non LP there? He should back off more. I think I saw one or two other normal people but they were not into it like Jeremy.

Anonymous said...

Awesome video!

Amanda said...

Jeremy is such a ham.

Chris said...

There are some hot LP girls!

I'd love to challenge good ol' Jeremy James to a shot drinking contest.

Jane said...

Jeremy lies? Shocking? Jeremy drunk? Shocking? Jeremy is a wild party animal? Shocking? No...

Roxanne said...

Jeremy looks really drunk at 0:09 and 1:13

K said...

Lol @ Annette. I agree. They are tight but hot! Jeremy would be a fun guy to get drunk/party with. Imagine what he is like when he's really, really wasted. Lol

Peter said...

Whoever decided that it should be Jeremy that said the load of crap about not drinking because of his devotion to God is an idiot.

Jeremy not drink? What a pile of you know what. If the Roloffs were just honest. But honesty and Roloffs are like Roloffs and selflessness, they don't go together.

statesmen rules said...

Bill looks like a fun dude!

Rebecca said...

Molly smokes??????? Not surprised that Jeremy gets drunks and smokes but Molly???

Rap541 said...

Dana, if I recall, all reports of jeremy drinking were deemed to be "lies".

Then when TLC showed Jeremy drinking one beer, the cry of "he had just one beer, he wasn't getting trashed, you liars" started.

When it was pointed out that he had more than one beer, then it turned into "He was being adventurous but he wasn't getting drunk and partying, stop lying about Jeremy!"

The big deal is that people were called liars in the defense of Jeremy James.

I'm not the one who put him on the pedestal... its you and your buddies who got all angry and mean over these reports and insist they're all lies until there's proof.

Once there is proof, then Jeremy getting trashed is *fine* by you. Drinking isn't forbidden! Jeremy is cool and god bless his drinking! He's supporting LPs with every shot he takes! God bless shots and God bless Jeremy being trashed. Of course his previous statement has no "until I'm legal and then its cool" appended to it... but thats the little dance that has to be done to praise Jeremy for his teetotalling AND ALSO deem his drinking to be fine and NOT at odds with his previous statements.

I imagine the Jer Fans are still maintaining that Jeremy and Zach weren't boozing it up this year at the LP con in Memphis and were sipping sodas and noting to friends that they weren't yet legal to drink? :)

And Dana, just to reiterate, no one really cares that Jeremy is a typical teen who drinks. The problem is that you and your buddies put him up on a pedestal and got nasty whenever anyone disagreed with "Perfect Jeremy who Says he does not drink as it does not please God, Jeremy is a Christian and he does not lie, therefore you must be lying".

Got it?

William said...

So Matt Roloff got this trip funded by sponsorship charity money? They could all party, dance and get drunk? Matt was a born politician. Take other people's money and spend it on themselves to party. Just like Washington! Ba Humbug!

Expressed said...

I was wondering the same thing about Jeremy's tongue? We know he was doing shots, what kind of shots were they??

There are lots of other tall people in the video. Jeremy is dancing with an average sized girl in part of it.

Rebecca, I'm almost positive that isn't Molly. The girl in the aqua scarf? She looks too old to be Molly.

Anthony said...

It looks all LP conferences I have been in the states. Theres more euro dwarfs there.

Connie said...

Bill is quite the ladies man.

Craig said...

Anyone that believed Jeremy was a non drinker??? I have some swamp land to give you. They laugh their butts off at the stupid fans that believe them.

Shelly said...

Looks like fun!

laura said...

dwarfs (and jeremy obviously!) know how to party!

Michael P said...

The only thing Jeremy has taught me about Christians is that they lie for money and have no conscience about what they say to people or how they treat people.

Lana said...

Adam is hot.

Erica said...

Did someone say Jacob is in this? Where??

Krista said...

I can't figure out if this means Zach being shy was a bunch of bull they used for the fake show or if he comes out of his shell when he gets alcohol in him.

Em said...

Jacob is at 39 seconds. He is standing beside Jeremy. Jeremy is drinking a beer leaning against the wall (maybe he was losing his balance, haha, ya know how it is when you have a few too many!)

Monica said...

Jeremy looks like he is a happy drunk!

Kelly said...

Holy crap what was Jeremy drinking? His tongue is white!!!

TaylorH said...

I don't think it's a very funny or light hearted issue.

Jeremy is supposed to be a Christian. With that comes responsibility. To be authentic. He lied. He lied using Jesus Christ. He doesn't just give himself a black eye, but he gives Jesus a black eye by not being a man of his word.

Kyle said...

Jeremy is a big fat liar and a terrible person. I wish that jerk nothing but a miserable life.

Brenda said...

I think they need to get Jacob to therapy and Jeremy to rehab ;)

DJ said...

It confirms why I like Zach better than Jeremy. Zach doesn't behave like an obnoxious drunk fool. He dances with dignity, not like an attention seeking ham like Jeremy.

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Susan said...

"Lotta "hang loose" hand flashing goin' on. One girl does the sideways "Hook 'em" sign but that's not a UT thing. My mom, rest her soul, once asked me what it meant. After I explained as delicately as I could, she wished she hadn't asked."

Mike, I don't even know what that is? I'm feeling old! I am sure I will feel the same way as your mother did.

The "loose hands" I noticed was Jeremy's when he had his arm around the girl's chest pointing to the tattoo.

Bonnie said...

No wonder why Jacob is such a train wreck. He hangs around THAT kind of behavior. It's easy to see why the kid has such a terrible attitude.

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Alyssia said...

Why did Jeremy or Matt or whoever thought of the great plan to have Jeremy PRETEND like he didn't drink and smoke? Did they think they'd never be found out?

Rap541 said...

"I am surprised Matt doesn't use this as a reason to praise Jer for his brotherly mentoring of Jake. Is it sweet that Jeremy and one of his many giant glasses of booze is with Jake standing beside him."

I actually don't ever want to hear Matt sadly state how Jake is wanting to skip steps and grow up too fast.

A father geniunely concerned about his youngest child growing up too fast would have seen to it that his twelve year old son didn't attend this party.

Matt had to have some idea of what this party was like. I am waiting for the pro-Matt crowd's opinion on his parenting.

Not letting Amy off the hook either... but Matt fans, please remember that Matt and Amy were both there and Matt can and will stand up to Amy *when he wants his way*. Letting Jake attend this party and then complaining about how he's growing up too fast is a failure of both Matt and Amy's parenting... not Amy alone.

Anonymous said...

wow little ppl getting plastered !
make yah feel sorry for the little ppl that cant afford to go to germany and hob know with other rich little ppl.....
haha i said rich little
anyways have fun getting ripped zach !
my kids wont even watch ur show anymore i guess the young ones know and can see right thru yah'

Anonymous said...

I think the alcohol helped with Zach's shyness! Someone send this video link to Matt's FB page!

Crystal said...

The show is so fake! They've never, never showed this side of the Roloffs.

Jeremy and Zach are party animals!

I guess we know now that when Bill dropped a lamp out the window breaking a table at a Little People convention that drinking might have had something to do with it. They made it look like they were hyper boys but now I doubt it.

Emily said...

Thanks alot LPBW crew for skipping the funniest stuff that I'd want to watch the most. They shouldn't have been allowed to be friends with the Roloffs.

Either that or Matt and Amy as producers kept this stuff out of the show to keep their phony Christian act.

Christian said...

Zach looks like a stud at 2:44.

I think the whole audience as been punked by the Roloffs all these years. Zach ain't shy and Jer gets sloshed.

Chris said...

Maybe Matt can find a way to profit from Jeremy's drinking?

Raffle off "shots with Jeremy" at pumpkin season?

Anonymous said...

i wonder if jeremy ended up passed out on the dance floor at the end of the night like ppl say he does at the lpa parties?

Miller said...

How does Matt explain this? Just hope people don't notice that his Golden boy is one huge liar.

Phony Christians suck.

John said...

Oh Jeremy is just so adoreable cudly and loveable when hes stinking fall down drunk, it makes you just want to put your arm around his shoulders to help him uo to a vertical psoition then crack him one with a beer bottle.

Justin said...

Exactly what other people said. It's not that Jeremy drink that is the problem, it's that Jeremy lies about it.

To make it worse, he is so smug about it when peole call him on his lies.

birth of said...

I have sacrificed my facebook account for the sake of truth.


http://imgur.com/MJz8Q.jpg

I find it interesting if it remain up and for how long. As a quick additional note, I had said something months ago about the Roloffs lying to their audience on Matts facebook page and within minutes of me posting it, it was removed and my facebook was disabled. Imagine that. I just wanted to put this out there as proof. Let's see what happens.

Abby said...

I remember the statesmen episode on little people, big world. This would have spiced it up.

But everyone knows that the Roloffs don't show reality, only the image they want the public to think. Jeremy and Zach boozing up is not what they want people to think.

Kyle said...

"To me, having faith in God means that your life is different from other people's lives. You aren't better than they are, but you are different because God is living inside you. My faith in God keeps me from doing some of the negative things so many kids do"

Jeremy is so holier than thou smug it is revolting. And it's all lies anyway. He's something else.

Anonymous said...

Rebecca, if you meant that really dark picture, it isn't a smoke, it's a glow stick. Not sure if it's even Molly.

Rebecca said...

Anonymous, you're crazy :)

I'm talking about the picture at 40 seconds. It's not a glow stick...hahaha. Next thing you'll be saying is that it's not beer in all those mugs but Mountain Dew...

It's a cigarette. It's in the girl's lips. She is holding it with two fingers in her lips...it's a cigarette. Jeremy is talking to her holding his beer.

I'm not 100% sure it's Molly, but it looks like her and the girl is definitely smoking!

I'm sorry if you thought I was talking about a different picture but I'm a bit paranoid that this site has posters from Matt's payroll that post ridiculous excuses for the Roloffs. Like a cigarette is a glow stick.

David said...

Rebecca, I think Anonymous at 8:56 meant the scene around 2:40 with Zach dancing. There are glow sticks in the background.

The picture you're referring to is definitely a cigarette. I don't think it's Molly. She looks older and heavier than Molly. It's definitely Christian Jeremy James drinking though...

Rap541 said...

I'm still wondering how Matt and Amy justify Jake attending this little shindig?

I mean, is this part of the "we're done parenting now that the twins have graduated"?

And are we supposed to applaud them and praise Matt and Amy for letting their 12 year old attend this party?

I mean good parents let their twelve year old go to bar parties where everyone is falling down drunk and groping each other? Right?

Gosh, I wonder why Jake is "trying to skip a step", Matt. Could it be because he's attending this sort of party instead of hanging with kids his own age?

I seriously wonder what goes on in the Roloff home if this is how Matt and Amy handle things in public in a foriegn country. Puts a whole new perspective on the ton of 20something kids running around the house at all hours, doesn't it?

Judy B said...

I don't see the big deal.

Jeremy was legally drinking.

It's a party with legal aged persons. Just like Olympic parties with average sized people. I have a sister in Vancouver. After the games, after the events, people partied!

Little People are no different.

I don't see Jeremy over doing it in this video. Yes he is clearly drinking, different drinks, but I don't see him vomiting passed out on the floor drunk. He is legally drinking and having fun at a party.

I don't know why people seem angry that Zach looks like he isn't being a stuck in the mud for once. It's a good thing that Zach can smile and have fun instead of the way he is portrayed on the show.

Rap, Jeremy is wearing a different shirt in the picture with Jake. It's a lighter blue shirt than the one he has on for most of the other pictures. I figure most of the pictures are from the final party. That might have been a little wilder. The picture with Jeremy and Jake must have been a different night.

Besides, Jake wasn't drinking. Have your never seen 12 year olds at a party with adults drinking? It doesn't kill them. Weddings? Substantial older birthday parties? Work/retirement parties? I don't think Jake is damaged by seeing this.

At least most of the dwarves had their pants pulled up! Jake could learn something! :)

Chris said...

Rap, Jeremy is wearing a different shirt in the picture with Jake. It's a lighter blue shirt than the one he has on for most of the other pictures. I figure most of the pictures are from the final party. That might have been a little wilder. The picture with Jeremy and Jake must have been a different night."

Or. The Jer bear was so drunk that he was spilling drink and throwing up on himself and had to change clothes. haha ;)

Lynn said...

Are you even sure that is Jacob?

Anonymous said...

"Besides, Jake wasn't drinking. Have your never seen 12 year olds at a party with adults drinking? It doesn't kill them. Weddings? Substantial older birthday parties? Work/retirement parties? I don't think Jake is damaged by seeing this"

How do you know he wasn't drinking? Most of the adults don't look like they're in any condition to monitor what the minors are doing. It's very plausible that young Jake could be mimicking his hero older brother's behavior and sneaking shots.

Jim Beem said...

Judy, you nailed it right on. Jeremy is dressed completely differently in the picture with Jacob.

I think this is all much ado about nothing.

Brandon said...

Personally I think the issue is that Jeremy is a liar. Anyone with any intelligence knew that already but this is one more thing that blows their fake image away.

They drink and party like you'd expect them to. They're not this disney esque family with wholesome moral values. Jeremy is not a guy whose every thought is about God and how best to serve God. It's crap. He's drinking and doing all those bad things he lied about when he said he wasn't.

I don't think the picture with jacob is a huge issue, but I don't see what it matters. The Manuel in the picture in front of Jacob and Jeremy looks as drunk as he does in the pictures from the other party. I doubt that the parties differed much from night to night.

Expressed said...

I don't know why it matters either but it looks like there are 2 pictures of Jeremy from a different night and the rest are from the big end of party bash.

The only pictures Jeremy is dressed differntly is the picture with Jake and he's wearing the same thing in the picture that he's dancing with some avg height girl (it's in the back ground to the right).

All the other pictures of Jeremy is from the same night because his shirt matches the LP girl in the green shirt (same shirt, different color!)

Rap541 said...

Matt thinks its totally appropriate for Jeremy to drink beer in front of Jacob?

And Bill in several shots also appears to change clothes, which means there was more than one drunken party... so Jake apparently attend one.

WHich considering there were reports that there were several parties....

Where was Matt and Amy when this was going on and their 12 year old who is just growing up too fast was watching it?

Rap541 said...

Brandon my only issue with Jake being there is that Matt and Amy are held up as great parents. And Matt publically comments on how he worries about Jake growing up too fast and doesn't understand why Jake wants to run with the older boys.

Jake is 12 and attending drunken victory parties with no parental supervision. How is that good parenting and who here is willing to say "I let my 12 year old go to adult parties where alcohol is served by himself"?

I'd be less annoyed if Matt wasn't moaning about how Jake is growing up too fast... if Matt was geniunely concerned, perhaps he'd be a parent.

Jocelynn said...

That is definitely NOT Molly smoking with Jeremy.

I see the same girl in another picture at exactly 1:00 into the video. She is in the back of the picture of one of the Manuels and Bill. I can see her face clearly (same girl with the scarf and black jacket). It's definitely not Molly.

This whole thing begs the question why do the Roloffs insist on lying and being something they aren't?

Why does Jeremy put HIMSELF up on a pedestal by telling the world that he doesn't drink? Nobody would have thought he's a bad person or differnt than most young people. But he insists on lying.

I have a hard time having any respect for someone that blatantly lies like that. I'm not a particularly religious person (organized religion anyway) but I can't respect a person that lies about their faith ("I don't drink because of my faith in God and I only have fun in ways that please God").

The Duggars might be weird, but at least there are aren't videos that show them to be liars and hypocrites.

Austin said...

Jeremy is a hypocrite. A liar sure, but a hypocrite.

Leopards don't change their spots.

Jeremy said he lectures people about saying midget because it's a hurtful word but was saying all other nasty slurs himself about other groups.

That's a hypocrite.

He said he didn't drink like the bad kids that weren't focused on please God like Jeremy the great Saint. But it was a lie. He was drinking and he does drink.

That makes him a hypocrite. Again.

Jeremy is scum.

Judy B said...

Jim Beem, thank you.

Jacob was not by himself, Rap. Jeremy was with him. Jeremy is an adult.

Yeah there was obviously drinking, but it was a party and a dance. As usual Rap is making a mountain out of a molehill with Jacob being seen in one picture. He is a kid at the World Dwarf Games. He was, at some point, at one of the dances. That makes Matt and Amy horrendous parents?

If they hadn't let Jake go to any of the dances some people would be complaining that they neglect him by dragging him along but don't let him go to any of the fun activities.

Rap541 said...

Jeremy was drunk, and if Matt and Amy don't feel comfortable leaving Jake alone in the house with the twins, why do they feel comfortable leaving Jake alone with his drunk brothers at a party?

Judy - do you allow your 12 year olds to attend grown up parties? You're praising Matt's parenting... Your kid... is this something that will happen in your household? Yes or No?

And if you do allow your 12 year old to attend such parties, do you then complain about how they're growing up too fast?

Rap541 said...

"That makes Matt and Amy horrendous parents? "

Does it make them good parents?

Perhaps we should praise Matt?

Why aren't Matt and Amy proud to show us these photos since they are just good parents making great decisions?

Btw the poster above who posted a link to this video on Matt's facebook was indeed censored. Why is that, if there's no problem with anything in this video?

Melissa said...

I posted a link to the video on the TLC LPBW Facebook page. They deleted it.

I guess it's too truthful for their fake show.

kelly216 said...

um zack was only in a couple pics. he was wearing a blue shirt. there were a couple of other "party crazy" people that looked just like him.

Christine said...

Zach was in more than a couple of pictures. It's not hard to tell who Zach is.

Jim Beem said...

Rap: You assume that Jake "attended" the entire party. How do you know this? On the basis of a single picture? Do you see him in any of the other pictures? What is to say that Matt and Amy - who you are so quick to indict as having failed to be good parents - did not come and fetch Jake off to a family-oriented activity with Molly before the party really got going? What is to say that Jake did not leave after 5 minutes? Maybe the party started after a group dinner, and Jake lingered for a few minutes before going off to do a father-son activity with Matt. Maybe Jake was just giving a message to Jeremy, and promptly turned around and left.

The point is, you don't know the facts. You criticize others for being too quick to praise Jeremy. But yet here you are jumping to conclusions, speculating, and assuming facts you don't know in service of your evident desire to criticize the Roloffs. I don't find that consistent, or fair.

As far as Jeremy goes, he never said he was a tee-totaller, or that he would never drink in his future life even in situations where it was perfectly legal to do so, as it was for him at this party in Ireland.

Brandon said...

Jim, as far as Jeremy goes, this is far from the first time that Jeremy has been caught in drinking situations (as Spirits said).

I think you're being naive. Read his statement from the book. He is saying that God thinks it is wrong to drink and he does not do that because he does not sully his body with alcohol and drugs. "Your body is a temple to God". I have Christian friends that believe the same thing. They would never touch alcohol or drugs for that reason.

Jeremy lied. He said that his friends and him didn't drink or smoke because they only do things that please God. He was drinking back then when and before he said what he said in the book.

Jim, you seem intelligent enough. Do you honestly think Europe was the first time Jeremy ever consumed alcohol? He looks like a newbie? It's ridiculous, especially since he was caught talking about it.

Jeremy lied in the book. He drinks like other people. He doesn't avoid it because he is so focused on God like he claimed. It was a lie to fit an image that they think would make them money. Just like how people watch the show and think Jeremy and Mueller are so innocent because they build forts and play board games with Matt and Amy instead of getting drunk and smoking pot.

It's ridiculous. The Roloffs lied. Jeremy lied.

David said...

I believe that any person that thinks Jeremy hasn't been or doesn't drink in the United States and was truthful in his statement quoted in the Roloff book that he abstains from alcohol because of his faith in God is either

1) Innocently naive and genuinely has been fooled by the Roloffs image they present in public

2) Is working for Matt

3) Is a fan working unpaid for Matt hoping that Matt will single them out for praise or present them with a gift for defending his family.

Anonymous said...

Jim Beem and Judy said...
Jeremy is dressed completely differently in the picture with Jacob.


You're both right. If you look at the many pics of Zack - he's dressed in different shirts also (one a blue t-shirt and the other in a white t-shirt with an open front collared dark shirt over it. The video is definitely composed of pics from different occasions. And the video definitely shows Jeremy drinking.

Rap541 said...

What is to say that Jake did not leave after 5 minutes? Maybe the party started after a group dinner, and Jake lingered for a few minutes before going off to do a father-son activity with Matt. Maybe Jake was just giving a message to Jeremy, and promptly turned around and left.

Jim - I am open to Matt addressing the issue and clearly stating for the record that he and Amy do not and did not allow Jake to attend these parties. I'm fair.

I think, considering how permissive and disconnected Matt and Amy are to parenting their youngest, that yes, there is reason to think that they allowed him to attend. I'm not the parent who has happily stated how they're done with parenting now that the eldest children are thru high school, or that the only thing that keeps me from dropping dead is my projects on the farm. I'm not the parent who clearly stated that spending time with the family on vacation was not a good use of his time. Frankly, considering the tales of the US LP cons, I doubt this is the first alcohol infused event Jake ever attended.

Regardless, Jake is a 12 year old in a foriegn country - why is he allowed anywhere without a parent? Because his brothers holding the beer are adults? My parents never sent me on errands to the bar at that age.

Seriously, if the Roloffs geniunely take the attitude of "its legal here so its ok", then I have to assume they had no problem with their nineteen year olds toking up in Amsterdam. If it's legal, it trumps any moral code they were raised with, right?

As far as Jeremy goes, he never said he was a tee-totaller, or that he would never drink in his future life even in situations where it was perfectly legal to do so, as it was for him at this party in Ireland.

Then you agree its unfair to cite Jeremy as a great Christian due to his vow not to drink, correct? I mean, by his own words, he's never actually abstained, so he deserves no praise or commendation for his comments in Little People Big Values as those comments are untrue?

Or are you going to dance around that too?

You do understand no one finds it unusual that Jeremy and Zach drink, the point of contention was that Matt's big fans threw a hissy when the initial reports of this event came out and insisted everyone was lying BECAUSE of Jeremy's comments in the values book? And that the Roloffs are Christian and do not lie?

I must admit - my copy of the book does not include the disclaimer "Until I'm legal, and that includes foriegn countries that have different laws".

Jeremy's comment is still a lie because he's already admitted to drinking underage on his myspace, and its very obvious from how permissive Matt and Amy are that if they aren't out right condoning underage drinking, their next biggest concern would be to make sure it wasn't on camera.

Rap541 said...

2) Is working for Matt

And before anyone says David is paranoid, I would like to remind everyone that Matt on his own website has stated he has staff checking out blogs and identifying posters so Matt can devote an entire chapter of a book to disagreeing with them.


Brandon - it's amusing isn't it, how somehow a very clear statement has all these hidden qualifiers to it? I mean, do you see any reference to the legal drinking age in the US and Ireland? I don't. I also don't see anyone saying "as soon as I turn twenty one, my body is no longer a temple and Jesus loves scotch!" yet that seems to be some sort of Christian tenant now.

Personally, if you going to state you don't drink or smoke because your body is a temple and keeping said temple fit helps you stay right with God.... then it's pretty clear you're declaring yourself to be a teetotaller. There's no qualifiers or age limits stated. I don't personally think its necessary to do so in order to be Christian... but I am not the one who said it.

Maybe Jeremy could clarify this for us?

Oh wait... he's a big enough man to drink up, but he's still under Daddy Matt's thumb and not a big enough boy to speak for himself.

Maybe when he's thirty, Daddy Matt will let him interview without a parent coaching him in the room.

Jim Beem said...

As far as Jeremy goes, I just don't think it is a big deal. First, the quoted statement from the book is from 2006 or 2007. Having drinks at a party in 2009 does not prove that he was "lying" at the time he made the statement several years earlier. Second, maybe Jeremy's views have changed and evolved since the book came out. There's nothing dishonest about that. Are we all bound for life by what we say or write or believe as a 16 or 17 year old? Third, I read the quote from the book as Jeremy indicating that he does not engage in destructive abuse of alcohol, not that he never had, or never will, touch a drop of it. I don't think you can fairly read the quote as saying that he believes in total abstention from alcohol. You're making a straw man argument when you go down that path.

Brandon said...

"I read the quote from the book as Jeremy indicating that he does not engage in destructive abuse of alcohol, not that he never had, or never will, touch a drop of it."

Jim, you must be working for Matt? You're taking something that was clear and trying to twist it to get Jeremy out of his lie.

"My faith in God keeps me from doing some of the negative things so many kids do -- drinking, drugs, and other things."

Jeremy said his faith in God keeps from drinking. Keeps from doing some of the negative kids "that SO MANY KIDS do".

What does that mean? What are "so many kids" doing? Drinking.

I read the book and thought Jeremy was saying he was the same as my Christian neighbors that believe putting alcohol and drugs into their body goes against what God wants from them.

The book was in 2007. Jeremy and his friends had made comments before then about their drinking.

The guy lied.

Brandon said...

Rap, I agree. I want Jeremy to clarify some of these things.

But everybody knows he won't because he's still a baby. I don't say that as an insult (but it is an insult), but because it is the truth. Jeremy is still not trusted to speak unless Matt lets him and okays it and Jeremy is not adult enough to represent himself and his lies.

Rap541 said...

First, the quoted statement from the book is from 2006 or 2007.

The book was published in 2007. That would be after Jeremy's myspace account of stealing and drinking Matt's vodka and setting the barn on fire while inebriated.

Second, maybe Jeremy's views have changed and evolved since the book came out. There's nothing dishonest about that.

Have his views changed? Who knows... Jeremy apparently isn't old enough speak on his own without his daddy approving his message. Since we don't have any statements FROM Jeremy or even from Matt (since Jeremy can't be trusted) other than the statement in the book, its a false arguement to claim he's changed his mind on the issue. He certainly hasn't made any public comment since this book on his views on drinking, has he?

Third, I read the quote from the book as Jeremy indicating that he does not engage in destructive abuse of alcohol, not that he never had, or never will, touch a drop of it.

Brandon reprinted the quote. There are no qualifers to it. "My faith in God keeps me from doing some of the negative things so many kids do -- drinking, drugs, and other things".

He's clearly saying he does not drink because of his faith in God. There are no "until I'm legal" qualifiers, Jim. Why shouldn't we take Jeremy at his word?

It's not a straw man arguement just because you say so, Jim. Jeremy has gotten a lot of praise over the years over his comments about not drinking because he wants to please God.

People insist, since Jeremy is a Christian, that he *always* speaks the truth. Yet, when it's pointed out that he clearly said on his myspace - at about 15 - that he was stealing vodka and getting drunk, well.... that was BEFORE he made this comment in 2007. And when he's spotted drinking AFTER making this comment... well, he's still telling the truth since its ok to drink when you're of legal age and thats what he magically meant... even though there's no record of any such comment, and he should still be held up to other teens for abstaining.

Is it really fair to praise Jeremy for not drinking when there's no evidence he was ever a non drinker? Really?

Is it really fair to say he qualified his comments to account for the legal drinking age when there's literally no evidence he did?

He clearly said he didn't drink, and held himself better than other kids. Does he deserve to be held up for not drinking when there's plenty of evidence to show he isn't telling the truth?

Did all the people who initially - about a year ago - reported these drunken parties - deserve to be called liars? The justification for people being called liars was Jeremy's little quote about not drinking. He said he doesn't drink, and he's a Christian so he doesn't lie, so everyone who says they saw him drinking are liars, liars lying on this good Christian boy.

Jim - did those people deserve to be publically tongelashed and called liars? Remember - they were called liars because Jeremy says he doesn't drink as it doesn't please God and Jeremy's Christian honesty is so shining, there's no way it could be true.

Until there were pictures and then Jesus loves scotch and all these magical nonexisant qualifiers turned up so that Jeremy can still be considered to be telling the truth.

Jim Beem said...

Rap, I haven't held up Jeremy for not drinking, nor have I called anyone a liar.

Now, as for the quote, I guess it all depends on what Jeremy meant by "drinking." I don't think occasional social drinking when of age is what Jeremy was referring to in the quote. Heck, we know his parents drink on occasion. They have alcohol in the house. Jeremy was not coming from a family tradition in which alcohol was strictly forbidden, and I did not understand that quote to be suggesting he was the type who would never touch a drop his entire life. Instead, I took it to mean that he was avoiding the "negative" drinking some kids fall into - i.e., binge drinking, excessive drinking that leads to broken relationships and trouble with the law, etc.

Hey, but I understand the quote means different things to different people. This is just the way I happen to see it.

Rap541 said...

Rap, I haven't held up Jeremy for not drinking, nor have I called anyone a liar.

Would you like links to where people have done so, over this particular quote?

Or is "I didn't do it so it didn't happen and no one has any right to be upset since well... being called a LIAR isn't offensive... unless poor widdle Jer-Bear is caught out" the rule of the day?

Because it did happen, and on more than this website.

Without viewing the show, or knowing Jeremy, if you saw that quote attributed to a young person, would you take the stance that he was saying he *does* drink but not to excess?

Since Jeremy is still an untrustworthy child and isn't allowed by his daddy to speak his own mind, we don't know *what* Jeremy meant... but Matt certainly has never protested the many fans who insist that it means Jeremy is a teetotaller, now has he?

Jocelynn said...

Jim, if a truck driver tells me "I don't smoke, unlike so many truck drivers", I take that to mean the person does not smoke.

I don't interpret that to mean they aren't a chain smoker, that they aren't a crack smoker...I take it to mean what it says. They don't smoke.

I think it was crystal clear what Jeremy meant and what type of image it was meant to convey.

I think some people are playing with semantics because it is clear that Jeremy and his friends are not the clean living guys they said they were.

Timothy said...

I'm a vegitarian. If I tell people that I don't eat meat, I would expect them not to find out that I eat meat on weekends. What would I say? Oh, yeah I said I was a vegitarian, but that didn't include eating meat on the weekends. I just meant the weekdays.

The Roloffs went for a very deliberate image. The Roloffs don't care if it's truthful or not, as long as the image is geared towards something they think will make them money.

Jim Beem said...

Rap, respectfully, i do not know the history of what other people may have said about the quote, or of who may have called who a liar and under what circumstances. I am taking no position on any of that one way or the other. I am only speaking for myself and am merely offering my own viewpoints - nothing more, nothing less.

Jocelynn, I respect your view and understand where you are coming from. Maybe we disagree a little because I am not entirely convinced that Jeremy is not a "clean living guy," and because perhaps I see Jeremy's quote as having been an aspirational statement that I think he may have meant sincerely in his heart even if, as some believe, he has not always lived up to it.

JustSayin' said...

I don't know if anyone else realized this, but not once in that montage did I see Zach with a drink in his hand. There are plenty of pictures with Jeremy and other Statesmen holding drinks, but none with Zach holding one. I'm not saying he didn't drink, but if he did, it must not have been very much because there are a lot of pictures of other Statesmen and Jeremy holding drinks. Also, although Zach looks tired, which might be interpreted as "hammered" or drunk, a lot of times on the show he looks the same way. That just seems to be his personality--low-key and laid back.
I find it a bit humorous, Rap, that you have "Zach Roloff drinking" as part of your title. There were no photos in the video that prove that.

Spiritswander said...

JustSayin',

To clarify, Rap only volunteers to write episodes reviews and comments like any other reader is free to comment.

The title of the article was my decision.

I appreciate and recognize your observation. I would point to 1:23 and perhaps 2:09 into the video, but I appreciate what you're saying. We do hear that Zach is less into drinking and "all that stuff" than Jeremy and his other friends, so your point is somewhat valid.

However, to explain, sometimes the words in the title of the articles are there to target popular keywords/subjects.

A popular search term daily for the Roloffs is often "Jeremy Roloff drinking". So because this video is probably something that people searching for "Jeremy Roloff drinking" would like to see, I included the word "drinking" in the title so it would be easier to find. Since Zach was also in the video, I didn't feel it was accurate to just have "Jeremy Roloff drinking at Belfast party" as the title.

It's the same reason why I often include the word "Roloff" in the title of the items about the television ratings. Some people search for "Ratings for the Roloffs show", so inserting a popular keyword makes it easier for people to find it.

I hope that explains.

Lola said...

I think equating Christianity to not drinking alcohol is an American way of thinking. My kids attend Catholic school where we live in Canada.
Drinking age is 18 here. Alcohol is not seen as bad but as something you do in moderation. I don't drink but see nothing wrong with a glass of wine or a beer. You cannot drink any alcohol and drive here until you turn 22. Until then it's a 0% blood level or you lose your drivers license. The twins are 20. Why can't they drink? The drinking age is much lower in most countries and I bet there is less binge drinking than in the USA where it is seen as a sin.

JustSayin' said...

Thanks for the clarification Spirits.

Rap541 said...

Lola - there's definetely some distinctions to be made.

In the US, the legal drinking age is 21. Right or wrong (I think it should be 18 personally) its illegal for people the twins's age to buy alcohol or be in possession of it.

The moral issue is more complicated. I happen to agree with Jim Beem in that I do not get the impression the Roloffs are religiously opposed to drinking. There are a number of Christian sects in the US that do essentially forbid alcohol. However the Roloffs do not appear to be in one of those sects, or if they are, they clearly don't practice the no alcohol aspect. We've seen Matt and Amy drink on many occasions.

The issue becomes Jeremy's comment in Little People Big Values. Taken by itself, the book depicts the Roloffs in a very conservative Christian way - if all you had to go on was this book, you would assume for example, that the family eats dinner around the dining room table and each person discusses how they used the Bible to deal with the day's challenges. The book was clearly written to appeal to the Christian book market. Jeremy's comment about drugs and alcohol, is part of that There's no reason to think the intent of that comment was to imply Jeremy had every intention of boozing it up as soon as he was legal. It was a clear moral statement - he chooses not to drink because while he certainly has opportunity, it does not please the Lord.

This is a pretty common thing in the more conservative Christian groups, and if you look thru the many many discussions on this site alone, you will see that until photo evidence was obtained proving Jeremy imbibed alcohol, a significant number of Christian posters insisted repeatedly that Jeremy's words meant he did not drink at all, not that he was merely choosing to obey the law until it was legal for him to drink.

If we take Jeremy's comment as a moral statement, the legal drinking of the US vs Europe shouldn't even come into play - he doesn't drink because it doesn't please God.

If we add all th qualifiers that don't actually exist - then why is Jeremy being held up as special? Oh woo, he obeys the law until he finds a loophole (going to Europe) and promptly gets trashed as soon as he's allowed? How is that special and different and noteworthy when its in actuality pretty common behavior?

And why is it that to say Jeremy drank is to LIE as Jeremy said he does not drink as it does not please God and he's a Christian so even though he's clearly drinking, everyone who sees him drinking is just believing their lying eyes?

Thats Jeremy up on the pedestal. He could be swigging a beer and anyone who says they saw him drinking is lying about this Christian boy. When he admits he was drinking on his Myspace, his fans insist he was "kidding" (and never lying because Jeremy is a Christian and always speaks truth!) and therefore those admitted incidents don't count against his little vow.

And when he's seen drinking... well that doesn't count either since in some convuluted way, drinking is ok when its legal, even though he previously was being praised for teetotalling but now he needs to be held up for... essentially skirting US law and getting himself beers legally at 19....

I'm just tired of the "Jeremy's not perfect but any flaw or wrong act is a LIE a *hater* made up!" People were viciously attacked as liars, lying on Jeremy's Christian vow... Since now its proven these weren't lies, well, now Pure Perfect Jer-Bear wasn't doing anything wrong!

So why were people called haters and liars for saying Jeremy was drinking in Europe, if everyone agrees its perfectly fine?

See the problem?

Brandon said...

Well said, Rap.

"There's no reason to think the intent of that comment was to imply Jeremy had every intention of boozing it up as soon as he was legal. It was a clear moral statement - he chooses not to drink because while he certainly has opportunity, it does not please the Lord."

smithron1951 said...

I suggest that you get a life for yourself and stop worrying about other people's behavior. You should try to concentrate on correcting your own faults! That is quite a nasty little habit you are developing. Most people know the Roloffs are just people and being just human beings they are just as flawed as anyone else.

Brandon said...

Smithron, I'm so tired of people saying the Roloffs are humans that have flaws.

What is not to get?

Jeremy wrote in a book that he didn't drink because it doesn't please God, he only does things that please God.

He lied! He's a hypocrite. If you write a book saying you don't drink because of God, expect people to shout about it when you're seen drinking.

This is another one of those instances where Jeremy is supposed to be praised for something that isn't true. When people find out he lied, they are all supposed to shut up about it.

sissy2 said...

What is Jers problem with having to dominate every scene with Zach? He has to be mr scene wherever he is... Brings back memories of Jer at little people dances, and Amy and Matt wondering why Zach is so shy... JER stop getting on your knees, its not attractive, and also very telling... let your brother shine...

foxy yaya said...

When I was nineteen is when I came out of my shell and grew up. Party on Jeremy and Zack!!
foxy yaya

samanthastarns said...

I just want to point out that I didn't see one photo where Jeremy has a drink in hand (although Zach is a different story).
Now that I've defended the twins.....

You can pretty much tell they're wasted from the dumb looks on their faces, and Zach having alcohol in his hands.

I used to think Jeremy was a cool guy, until I started hearing all this stuff about him and decided to investigate further. It's so unfortunate that he's turned into such a bad role model.

samanthastarns said...

My apologies, I missed Jeremy having a drink at 1:32. At 1:56, 2:05, 3:03, 3:09, Zach has a drink in his hand. Well twins, I tried defending you. Oh well! lol.

Christine said...

"I just want to point out that I didn't see one photo where Jeremy has a drink in hand (although Zach is a different story)."

Samantha, are you kidding??

Look closer. For starters

0:38
0:40
1:32

That's not even counting all the pictures when he's outside at the table with one other guy. There are two drinks on the table and one is in front of Jeremy. All in all, I counted about 5 different drinks Jeremy either was holding or appeared to be drinking.

I agree with the rest of your comment. Well said.

Ashley said...

@Samanthastarns - I totally agree with you about Jeremy. I had the identical feeling as you.

Christine said...

Sorry Samantha, I didn't see your second post. Jeremy had drinks in the other spots I said too, you just had to look in the back ground. But it's glaring in 1:32.

I think some of the ones you thought was Zach is actually his LP friends.

Rachel said...

"I used to think Jeremy was a cool guy, until I started hearing all this stuff about him and decided to investigate further. It's so unfortunate that he's turned into such a bad role model."

Nicely put SamanthaStarns.
Jeremy is a fraud.

samanthastarns said...

I really wish I had a chance to meet him for myself to either confirm (most likely) or squash (highly doubtful) his rumored behavior and personality. The problem with that is that he doesn't take time to meet anyone outside his own ignorant group of buddies. I'm surprised that he knew a girl long enough to have her as a girlfriend (Kirsten). I can't remember if he did have a GF after her (haven't watched in a while) but it seemed like when they started getting more well-known, Jer got too big for his britches and broke up with her.

Thanks for pointing out the other spots, Christine. You can't catch 'em all ;)

And thanks, Rachel. It seems to be that way.

Jocelynn said...

Samantha Starns, I really think it depends on how you're meeting Jeremy.

He is not so out of control that he is out of control with rudeness.

I think Jeremy knows how to be "On" as a public figure. The trouble is what is he really like when he's not "on" or in "Smiley Jeremy Roloff: mode.

For example I met Matt, Zach and Jeremy at the Coda Chartiy basketball game in Michigan last April.

They had autographs after the game. Jeremy and everybody there was polite. Jeremy smiled and signed autographs and posed for pictures.

Although it wasn't all positive. I was sitting in the section behind Jeremy's bench. At halftime, most of the celebrity players were posing for pictures with the organizers. As half time was coming to an end, Jeremy sat down on the bench waiting for the game to start while most of other people were still taking pictures on the court. Two little boys saw Jeremy sitting there all alone so they walked over to him and asked him for an autograph. I heard him as clear as day. He said "No. Autographs are after the game". He sent them away and proceeded to sit there on the bench alone for another couple of minutes until half time was over. I understand there's the factor that not wanting to set a precedent of giving autographs to everyone when it's not the designated time, but honestly it was one of those small subtle "douche bag" signs. They were two little kids and Jeremy sent them packing and then sat there by himself.

I'm getting off track, my main point was that he was polite at the autograph session after the game at the charity event. If you met him in that line you would probably come away saying "Jeremy was polite".

I think the true question is what is Jeremy really like when he's not "on". That's when people catch him trashing people with his cool group of friends or like the story from the cruise. When he and Zach would walk away from someone that recognized them they would walk back to the rich girl he was having the cruise fling with and make fun of the "fan".

To me it's not a question of how Jeremy is in a public meeting session. It's what is he really like. That's why I think the things about Jeremy and his friends being caught insulting fans on the internet point to his true character.

When there's hundreds of customers around at pumpkin season with cameras Jeremy knows how to smile and be polite.

I hope I explained that good enough. If you met Jeremy, I don't think he is telling everyone to "F off" to their faces or grabbing the nearest cat and throwing it.

For me, it's more about what is he really like as a person with his friends and I think some of those examples answers that question.

kit222 said...

http://instagram.com/tye_french/
Refer to the link above. Scroll down to the last photo on this instagram account. Jeremy appears to be smoking a cigarette. Does any one know if he actually smokes?

Zee to the Z said...

Kit22, yes Jeremy smokes cigarettes, cigars and...other stuff...

Anne C. said...

wow, are you serious? I find it hard to believe that he actually smokes. I hope that cigarette was a prop. I know he drinks, but I thought he was completely against smoking....

kit22 said...

I know I can't believe it. I was shocked when I came across the picture. Z to the Z, how do you know Jeremy smokes all that stuff!?

Brandon said...

I'm shocked that people are shocked that Jeremy smokes.

Greg said...

Anne, you know Jeremy was talking about smoking for years since he was 16. Hell, in one of the recent episodes he has a "cigar balcony" with his apartment in Santa Barbara.

Anonymous said...

Tobacco ain't all he smokes

Chris Linton said...

"Tobacco ain't all he smokes"

This!

Tye is probably getting a lecture right about now for putting something on the internet that goes against the JerBear's phony tv persona.