Sunday, October 2, 2011

Little People, Big World Special -- Roloff Family Returns To TLC: Review

Our guest reviewer Rap541 will review the episode of Little People, Big World. All opinions and statements are that of Rap.

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So when last we met, the twins were twenty and had decided to live at home rather than move out because well, it was easier. Matt and Amy were considering selling the farm and didn’t. Kate Gosselin and Sarah Palin were still popular.

It’s actually over a year later. Hurrah! Rumor has it that TLC insisted that any filmed specials be aired soon after filming which is a significant difference from before. Watching this rerun where Jer blithely ignores dad’s resume advice… ah what a spoiled mess. And Matt’s nicely negative about how the twins are spoiled messes but only in hay bale confessionals. Watching Matt lecture Jer and Jer be all “whatever” is hilarious. So is Jer-Bear whining about everything being online. Jer looking at the camera and bemoaning not having his SSN and why does anyone need that? HAHAHA Jeremy is such a go-getter!

And Matt spends most of these reruns bitching how irresponsible the twins are! And Jer telling Matt how he doesn’t need him… so respectful and its 2010 :D. Oh and Jer telling his mom to trot her ass to the kitchen and its 2010 and Jer telling his mom he’s not gonna stop disrespecting her while Matt says nothing! Oh YEAH. Matt? Amy says “her poor twenty year old boy….” *you* said all the occurrences of Jer snotting off on camera took place six years ago. Matt? Hand on the Bible… is your wife a *liar*?

One of the most amusing aspects of the rerun is watching Jer manfully talk about getting a job in 2010 when we all know he was still jobless, oh forgive me, “working for daddy” before his big man move to Cali.

Oh man, my friend has freshly made ravioli that she just brought in and she’s offering it to me but I am here and the new show starts and by the time the show is done, there will be no fresh ravioli for Rap! AND I am missing Animation Domination! Oh wait, Blue Crow is offering to hold some of the ravioli back for me! Woo! So there will be a review after all!

Wow the last episode was kinda cloying. Still like the words to the song tho.
New Special!

Btw I like how the rare commercials are mentioning that the perfect never have problems Roloffs were indeed considering divorce.

And we start right off with DIVORCE talk. Amy notes that it came up a LOT in the last five or six years that oddly enough seems to run concurrent with the reality show. Amy? There’s this Kate bitch who needs a new man…. Also didn’t Matt tell a completely different story about how happy they are?

Matt hay bales how everything is great, they aren’t selling the farm and he’s buying property. Amy notes how he whines how he is going to die early. Yes Amy, we’ve all picked up that whine too. As I recall, he was going on in 2009 that he would need spinal surgery within six months and was probably going to be in a wheel chair so take it as you will, Amy. You live with him after all.

At the same time, this scene in the mule on the farm seems very carefully staged. As in something thought very carefully about how they were going to chat on the mule.

New Credits. Not really that different. More shirtless Jer.

Jer’s on the mule, unshaven. On the hay bale he is clean shaven. Nice to see that TLC will never fail to mess up continuity this way. He lies to the camera that he’s waiting on his acceptance and then stages a scene about receiving the acceptance letter that he got in November of 2010. Wasn’t this filmed in August 2011, almost a year after Jeremy’s acceptance? He and Amy hug. Amy whines about the empty nest., Jeremy is ready to party. Was it really necessary to lie about this? I mean, it actually is rather unusual to get your acceptance letter “weeks” before you head off to school. It just adds an unnecessary extra moment of fake to the whole business.

Now we have a family dinner where Jeremy announces his acceptance. Again, its obviously staged to where even Amy notes his flat affect. Zach expresses surprise. Matt notes publicly on camera that Jeremy will fail and cry for his mom. Amy turns this all into “What is Zach doing” which is kinda assy. Btw I think this is the first family dinner that had Jeremy and didn’t have Mueller that we have ever seen on this show. Interesting.

Matt worries that the farm will quiet down without Jer. Now another staged scene where Amy and Matt sit on the porch and discuss it. I mean really, on the one hand the hay bales come off a bit real, with people expressing emotions but the actual “real scenes” seem fake… especially Matt’s “We did it!”. None of the Roloffs are actors, and yes, it shows.

So now we’re going on an RV trip that was actually in what, July? Wasn’t this to the LPA Con? Didn’t Mueller go? Why present a lie? Matt makes nice to the dog. Matt’s office and really the whole house is a total sty so nothing has changed. I wonder if they let the maid go since there’s been no filming.

No scenes of Jacob Mueller who was on the road trip with them because Jeremy has issues being away from his male friends for any length of time but since this is “the big boy going to away school“ I guess focusing on the codependency is a lil too real.

The green shirt Jeremy wears while driving is very girly… I wonder if Mueller picked it out. Also the 20 questions game seemed staged for the cameras.

Now we have Santa Barbara…. It seems nice. Jeremy expresses his love of playing on the beach. Matt does another weird fake shout “Welcome home!”. They stop at the beach to play Frisbee for the cameras. Matt pointedly asks Zach his opinion of Jeremy leaving and Zach is totally disinterested and walks away. I think since the entire point of this line of questioning is to point out what a loser he is and to push him to get the hell out too, I suspect he’s just embarrassed. This line of questioning is repeated constantly. Amy expresses her plan to freak out and walk away as well. Matt hay bales how they will rediscover themselves and there’s a family photo op. Is rediscover code for divorce? Because for a loving couple who were awesome per Matt, these two don’t seem like love birds.

Still no Mueller. Now Jeremy is on tour with his family at his new school. Jeremy hay bales how he’s learning his craft. Amy does most of the talking and notes she thinks his ideal job is to work for National Geographic. Jer hay bales a lot of nonsense about photography. He notes how if it all doesn’t work out he will live in his new van for two weeks - as opposed to his two BMWs.

Now they look at a studio apartment. Jeremy notes how Zach must be sad and thinking about his future. Personally I think Zach was bored as hell. Also its rather hilarious how Matt and Amy keep asking Zach how he feels about Jeremy leaving… I mean honestly I kinda don’t think Zach much really cares one way or another. He looks like he wants to gnaw off his leg as Amy interrogates him.

Oh the Madonna Inn. I bet they were comped. Its cool, but its not the Bahamas. Its not even the Gobbler. Guess the budget didn’t go too far!

So we get an extensive tour of the Inn. Amy and Matt have steaks and stage a scene for us. Now Amy goes on again about the kids being around. Now we get the kids staging a scene for us as well. Honestly this is like watching paint dry. Zach does note that they are behind the curve. Jeremy notes that he’s totally happy with living like a lump at home for two years. He does not think he’s behind the curve at all. Well, you keep thinking that, Jeremy!

Back to Matt and Amy, and Amy whining about her empty nest. Again. Matt wants to rediscover her. Matt openly prods her to describe memories for the camera and she does. Amy hay bales how she’s probably still considering divorce but not saying it. They force a kiss. The Madonna Inn is so delightfully tacky!

Amy yells at Jeremy and he snits back to her, probably because she’s a woman and he knows better than a woman. Jeremy notes its too much for his pretty little head to deal with and manfully rubs his brow. Jeremy then shovels hay and tells us about the third car he wants to buy.

There’s a party being planned on camera. Amy and Matt argue about work. Matt notes how they all suck at driving as he’s never crashed a mule. Oh hey, we need to kill some time so we’re staging a race on the mules like you know, on a sitcom. Perhaps in the next special, Amy and Matt will put masking tape lines on the floor to separate the house during their trial seperation.

This is so cheesy. So they race, Molly does not rip off her top to start them properly. Amy wins and Matt immediately whines.

Oh look the prep for one of Matt’s Beer Bonfires. Jeremy and Zach stage a scene at the fire. About how weird it will be to spend more than ten seconds apart. No beer? But the twins are twenty one! Jeremy who is afraid of and who hates computers admits texting every day. The nattering between them would be interesting if I wasn’t entirely certain they needed a scene here. “Pray for me” is perhaps the first time we’ve heard anything religious from Jer. I am wondering if we’ll get to see the Jesusmobile’s front or not.

Oh the tear filled tire swing scene. Matt thinks Jeremy should be packing tools to take. He notes how important it is to rehang the tire and how deep it is and Matt weeps for the cameras while Jeremy looks on with dead, bored eyes. Honestly if you can’t remember why it was taken down, it wasn’t that important to you. Matt wanders off, weeping, Jeremy looks like he wants the whole business to be done and checks the box with a “love you”.

Zach on the mower! The DIXIE MOWER! Now we’re having a party to send Jer off to Iraq.

There’s a symbolic rehanging of the tire swing that was probably taken down because the kids were all too old to play with it but we needed a deep family scene to show Jeremy reconnecting with his family for ONE LAST TIME. Since you know, he’s dying and the Roloffs love drama. We get Matt’s philosophy that the tire swing was his entire inspiration for the entire farm… even though he has no idea how or why it came down but gosh darn it it’s the most important thing ever!

Matt gives an endless speech to the crowd. Then Amy. Amy makes it clear she wants all the kids to continue playing at their house despite Jeremy being gone because it makes her feel cool. Jeremy looks bored. Now we have a scene of Frisbee shirtless to provide the T&A. Amy waxes on how it’s a good way to end, to have a great last memory because Jeremy is apparently also dying. Geez…. Its not like he’s not coming home for Matt’s filmed birthday, the next planned special. I think perhaps one of the Roloff family’s problems is their tendency to over dramatize things.

So Jeremy needs mommy to wake his ass up out of his filthy bedroom. Because, you know, he is a twenty one year old child who still can’t figure out how to use an alarm clock or plan ahead. Mom is making him breakfast because well, she’s his servant. Amy hay bales how she hides her emotions and portrays herself as tough. Jeremy is “pumped”. Amy takes pictures. Apparently everyone needs to have their picture taken.

Jeremy waxes philosophically on how he wants to be a good person. Jer, a little hint - it involves actually acting decent, not just saying you’re a Christian. Another hint? If a friend suggests photographing cat tossing, people will think you’re an asshole if you actually take pictures. Another hint? Just because you’re white and Christian, its not ok to slur Jews, Mexicans, African Americans, Asians, the mentally challenged, homosexuals, or any other group you have less than amusing names for.

We get more and more pictures and hugs. And its staged as though Jeremy takes off into the great big world by himself but in fact Amy went with him. “Thank you Jesus” on the van was, much like Mueller’s presence in the RV, or Amy’s presence IN THE VAN (folks she face booked the whole trip) was nicely kept hidden.

Matt weeps that his major-me is gone as we get more staged driving scenes. Matt breaks down as he will never see his son again. Amy hay bales that she loves her kids. We get a montage of Jer vacationing. Funny how the cameras totally hid the fact that Jeremy took his mommy with him on his manly drive into the future. Why is that? I mean, in reality, Amy rode down with Jeremy to Santa Barbara… why was that hidden?

So to sum up, Zach was thrown under the bus repeatedly, the Roloffs per Amy *were* considering divorce, Jeremy openly faked a scene receiving his acceptance letter in summer when it’s known that it was November of 2010, Jake’s expulsion wasn’t mentioned, the beer bonfires weren’t mentioned, and for some strange reason Matt and Amy and Jeremy lied out right about Jeremy driving down to Santa Barbara by himself.

Nicely done, Roloffs! Now for fresh ravioli and Terra Nova on DVR.

61 comments:

Christine said...

I notice they hid the fact that Mueller was on the RV trip. They made it look like it was only the Roloffs on the whole trip so they could call it a family trip.

The Roloffs are full of lies at every turn.

Justin said...

Are they that hard up for real material? A Matt vs Amy mule race?

Brandon said...

Jeremy might want to consult Jesus about lying and deception. I do believe he was originally accepted to Brooks a year, almost two years ago and put it off. What a staged event his trip to the mail box was to deliver the news to Amy...

Greg said...

Jeremy is so friggin arrogant. He declares that he's a professional photographer. Uh, declaring it doesn't make it so Jer Bear.

At least Zach can admit they are losers and slackers. Jeremy admits no mistakes.

Nancy said...

People have said it before, but it should be said again, they are acting like Jeremy is going off to war.

"Pray for me"...give me a break.

Julie S said...

Who is Amy kidding? Their last memory together? Those kids are the laziest, most privileged kids I've ever seen. They'll be playing together in no time!

Brandon said...

What the hell was Matt talking about? Real life?

It was all totally staged and lies.

Uh, Matt? TLC? Amy already Facebooked that she went with Jeremy to Santa Barbara to help him moved. She posted pictures of their trip. Jeremy didn't go by himself.

I guess they needed to make Jeremy look more independent than he is by lying about that.

Rap541 said...

Wha? Who in the whassut? Shoot, I have to do a review.... Good thing I have two hours to sober up!

Jocelynn said...

I was surprised the ENTIRE show basically was about Jeremy leaving. It almost makes you wonder if that was one of the factors in Jeremy leaving...to get back on tv.

I didn't believe Matt when he said Jeremy doesn't like attention. Ha!

Anonymous said...

Christine, Mueler left from LA and flew home. He was NEVER on the leg that they filmed.

Ashley said...

Could Zach have looked any more disinterested? He just did the special for the money. Nice morals Zach!

The only thing he said about Jeremy leaving when he was asked 4 times was "It's cool".

The episode did make Zach look bad and Amy really embarrassed him by pointing out his failures in comparison to the God that is Jeremy James Roloff!

I agree with a comment above. I did appreciate Zach's realism, that yes he and Jeremy should have moved out 2 years ago and were slackers because they didn't as opposed to Jeremy who thinks he always did the greatest thing ever.

Christine said...

Anon, the key word you used is "that leg of the trip".

Did they show the Roloffs leaving from the farm? Yes they did.

Did they show Mueller? No, they didn't.

In real reality, was Mueller on the trip? Yes he was.

The Roloffs left the farm for the LPA conference in Anaheim. Then they went to Brooks and Mueller didn't go for filming.

They clearly made it look like only the Roloff family members RV'd from the farm to Santa Barbara. That's a lie.

Judy B said...

I enjoyed the episode a lot. Matt made it. He was the one that showed his emotions and gave of himself.

Zach should learn from Jeremy. Jeremy sounded much more mature than Zach in the discussion with the kids only.

Vic Rattlehead said...

That "special" was crap.

Just a quick recap:
Take "one last" family trip.....check.
Fill fifteen minutes with padding....check.
Watch Matt Amy and Jeremy try to act (badly).....check.
Hear Jeremy revel in his lazy arrogance and show how stupid he is yet proclaim how "unbelievably successful" he's going to be....check.
Fii another fifteen minutes with fake "drama" and roll credits...check.

Hey TLC please please please get rid of these leeches they're about as interesting as watching paint dry, this "special" was nothing more than an hour long pity party.

Time for Matt & Co to accept the fact that they're yesterdays news.

Jack n' ory said...

Considering the fact that the IMDB board for this show is totally dead without so much as a single new post in the last 12 hours I'd say that this special was a bomb.

Anonymous said...

I am not sure why there are so many negative comments about this family. If you don't like them, then simply stop watching and reading the blog. It makes no sense to me to spend a hour of your time watching a show about people you dislike so much and then make a point to come to a blog to post about it.

Brandon said...

Rap, you'll feel vindicated when you see it.

Matt was sounding an awful lot like a 'negative nellie' that hates on Jeremy. He was mocking how a week after Jeremy leaves, he will be crying for mommy! He even made the baby noises!

Podge/Rodge groupie said...

Anonymous @ 7:19: It appeared they shot they whole trip, from leaving the farm and driving down, to the return and strop at San Luis Obispo. Never saw Jeremy wearing his seatbelt. Which leg of the entire trip was Mueller not on?

Z to the Zee said...

For the record, Mueller was with the Roloffs when they left home until the National LP con.

After the LP con, the Roloffs went off to Brooks and Mueller went to visit family and travelled back to Oregon without the Roloffs.

He was with them from when they left until after the LP con was over.

Timothy said...

Did I miss it coming back from a bathroom break or was there nothing about Jacob being expelled from school.

That's the real and raw Roloffs!

Nothing about the drunk 21 year old twins either.

Rap541 said...

Anon - yes we understand that Matt and the Roloffs prefer that people praise them or SHUT UP.

Why are people supposed to only watch reality shows of people they completely adore anyway? Anon? Wasn't the point of this show to "educate" per Amy... not to "blindly praise and love and if you don't LOVE THEM THEN YOU HATE THEM! ANY AND ALL CRITICISM OF THE ROLOFFS IS UNFOUNDED HATE! THEY AREN'T PERFECT BUT NO CRITICISM IS VALID YOU HATER".

Have I summed up the "Shut up if you aren't in love" mentality?

I personally have no great love for the idiots on Sister Wives but I guess since the rule is "LOVE THEM OR SHUT UP" we best all hesh on the subject of polygamy... right anon? Its a reality show and if you don't LOVE THEM THEN SHUT UP!

tashapork said...

I can't help it, I enjoyed it. I've missed them. They aren't perfect, but they are fun. I have never seen Matt get so emotional over anything. He does seem to look a little heathier.

Nom said...

so glad i didnt miss pre season hockey for this. with hockey just starting, MLB playoffs and with football going on, i dont see how many people would even care to notice the roloffs doing the same thing, again

Tiffany said...

Rap...sshhhh. Are you quiet yet? Good. Now listen.

I agree with Anon who btw was not saying "love the Roloffs or shut up." I don't believe anyone here thinks that. Anon has a simple point...if you don't like a show or the people involved with it then why waste ANY time watching the exact show with the exact people whom you claim to dislike and then waste more time posting comments on a site specifically about the exact people you dislike. To people like us...yeah we don't see any logical reasoning for that.

I won't be the first to admit that I can't stand the show Jersey Shore. From the previews I've seen on commercials before the show even started, I already knew that I didn't like what that show was about or how the people on that show act and guess what....I have never watched a single second of that show.

That's common sense right? If you can't stand something then why put yourself through it?

Kayla said...

What a horrible "update"

Nothing about Jacob being booted out of school.

Nothing about either of Zach's or Jeremy's girlfriends.

Nothing about how Jeremy and Mueller are with each other 24/7

Nothing about the cat tossing.

Nothing about all the drinking that goes on.

Nothing about the ultra conservative and very anti gay church.

Bonnie said...

If anyone wants to figure out why ratings feel to where TLC canceled the show they should examine this episode.

Staged. Contrived. The void of anything real and person. Nothing about what is really happening, the partying, Jacob being kicked out of private school, the girlfriends, the bad influence of Jacob Mueller.

Wouldn't a REAL update about Jeremy (which this episode was) include something that hints at how Jeremy spent every day with Mueller? But they concealed that from tv viewers. It would also show what a fanatical Bible thumper Jeremy is and how he's very non accpeting of gays.

Megan B said...

@Tiffany, really?

Why read the posts here? Why put yourself through this? Now shhhhh, and "listen".

I am guessing that Rap started out like most of us here, liking both the show and the Roloffs. But as the veneer started to peel off over the seasons it became apparent that there were huge differences between the "reality show" Roloffs and the true reality of the Roloffs.

To many of us, this does not make the show less interesting. To some, it makes it even more compelling. I confess that actually haven't received TLC for years but I continue to follow this website because it covers the show well.

It fascinates me that the Roloffs continue to handsomely profit and openly enjoy the spoils from the show from the show while they continue to present themselves as a good wholesome family who are all in it for diversity awareness.

I mean, that's their only stated interest in doing the show. To help others! I'm sure after they took care of their health insurance issues and future living expenses and socked some money away for the kids college and retirement, they donated most of the excess cash in the name of diversity awareness, right?

And since Matt and Amy no longer had to work to earn a living, they must have had nothing but time on their hands to foster the next generation of selfless diversity awareness advocates!

Or, perhaps they chose to fame-whore themselves out for personal financial benefits while neglecting their kids to the point that the older two were able to slack off aimlessly for years while the youngest one who wants to be just like them gets kicked out of school (and the show conveniently leaves this little fact, like so many others, out of their wholesome little "reality" show).

I'm sorry you don't like people discussing it. The fact is, it is interesting to many of us observers to see how twisted this web of deception and hypocrisy is becoming.

It is okay with you if we start "speaking" again? We will anyway, but the cool thing is, you are not required to read them. You can continue to do so, and to comment on them, as I have done on your comment. Isn't a free and open forum like this a wonderful thing for all who care to do so? Welcome to the forum!

CC said...

Spirits was too lazy to do the review or to choose someone who would do a fair job. We got the same old BS humdrum. And it sounds like Rap didn't sober up before she scribbled out her typical diatribe.

Rap541 said...

Ah but see... oh wait, Tiffany, am I allowed to speak now?

Oh right, you don't control the board.

How many reality shows do you watch where you DON'T UTTERLY AND ABSOLUTELY LOVE EVERY MINUTE OF THE SHOW?

I like Ice Road Truckers. That doesn't mean I feel any criticism of say, Hugh is morally wrong and made by a person who watches the show merely to waste their time and be non productive. In fact, it wouldn't offend me in the slightest if someone said somthing disparging about the IRT crowd because well, no one is perfect. I love the train wreck that is LPBW. For example, in this special? We've got three completely desperate lies for the camera. Its hilarious.

To put your arguement in perspective, there's plenty of posters on this thread making *positive* comments. No one is telling them that this is a "hater" board or that they are wasting their time or that they should be quiet if they disagree with anyone else's opinion... but criticize the Roloffs and "IF YOU WATCH THE SHOW BUT DON'T LOVE THE ROLOFFS YOU'RE A HATER WASTING YOUR TIME AND SHOULD SHUT UP! LOVE THE ROLOFFS OR SHUT UP!"

Why are you so concerned about my time wastage and why do you have nothing to say about the Roloffs at all, and are just posting a snit that people who watch the show and have anything to say other than"GOD BLESS THOSE AMAZING ROLOFFS" has just officially wasted their time in your opinion?

Tiffany? Do you have any opinion about last night's special?

Sandie said...

What I just don't get is the need to lie about things that don't matter, especially when they aren't lying about those things on Facebook. Don't they realize how dishonest it portrays them? Will they blame that on TLC?
And now I am craving fresh ravioli.

David said...

There were so many, but another lie I caught was Jeremy's statement that he really got into photography 6 years ago. Six years ago, huh?

Hmmm. He's 21 now. Six years ago was when he was 15. Which was also the first season of LPBW. I seem to recall Jeremy being all about his dream of becoming a pro soccer player. He was never seen with a camera. His Myspace wasn't that of a budding photography filled with artistic pictures...they were obscene messages filled with racial and homophobic insults.

He didn't seem to get into photography until about 2 years ago, the European vacation. Then he was seen with a camera.

Again, why do the Roloffs insist on lying about everything?

Denise said...

I acknowledge that some of the facts were not correct, no Jeremy didn't leave by himself and no that wasn't when he got the letter from Brooks and I also agree they left a lot of things out.

But having said that, I liked the episode. I think they captured the emotions that goes with have family member move away.

Anna said...

Were those the best of Jeremy's pictures? I honestly didn't think they were that good.

Abby said...

Can't believe Jeremy said all he wants for his life is to be a good person. I can think about 30 things that he could have done differently if he cared at all about being a good person.

Rap541 said...

Well... to work along those lines, Denise, here's my counter argument. Because I know soon enough we'll be hearing the "we could only film a small portion of time because we're SOOOO burned out from doing reality tv, it was necessary to stage a few things....but we are not actors and we are not acting, its all real!" stuff....

Yes, I imagine it *was* necessary to stage Jeremy getting his acceptance letter and staging a family dinner discussing it since there were no cameras around when it happened back in Novemeber 2010, because you know, the Roloffs just don't want to deal with the grind that is reality tv. After all, they're tired of the what is now? 16 hour a day filming? 300 days a year? (which is actually a significantly different story than what we heard from the Roloffs previously but thats a different issue). So basically, they want to be *paid* to do a reality show, but they don't actually want to be bothered with dealing with the unpleasant reality. I mean that's been Matt's harping hasn't it? They just don't want to commit to the time involved...

Well, ok. As it happens, I can understand that... but then why come back to reality tv at all? People are going to notice and point out the staging and the fake scenes and yes, the *acting*. The Roloffs were *acting* in a number of these scenes and I have no doubt that the Roloffs will protest that this was all real and raw with a great big but "we are soooo tired of the constant filming but we just had to fake these scenes because well, we love the fans!"

That Jeremy was depicted in a staged scene acting as though he drove off to his future alone is a scripted scene. If we can't trust the Roloffs to show the reality of events that *could* have been filmed by the camera, then why should we believe any of the staged scenes?

kp said...

You pretty much summed up my thinking with this one. Although the crying at the end seemed genuine and sad.

Tiffany said...

Wow. Really Rap? Really?

I'm surprised with your sly eye to see through all things Roloff that you didn't connect the dots between Matt's Facebook post on their new furniture and the fact that Lay-Z-Boy was the sole sponsor of the special last night. Come on Rap, you're the most frequent commenter on this site, I thought you would've been the first to notice that. But...I guess not.

To answer your question boss, I thought the special last night was good simply because it was great to see the family again. And what is up with you saying that anyone who disagrees with your opinion must LOVE the Roloffs and to quote you "love the Roloffs or shut up." As far as I've seen, nobody on this site has ever posted any such thing or maybe in your drunken state you just imagined it and assume it to be reality.

Speaking specifically to you, I don't understand why every post you make you have to bring God into it. And to make fun of the fact that Jeremy said 'pray for me?" Seriously, for anyone reading this, that is seriously the lowest of the low.

Rap541 said...

Megan, thanks for the defense. Frankly, since Matt says he loves and welcomes criticism and publically states he likes even the fans who criticize and who "get it wrong", I really don't understand why Tiffany feels it necessary to attempt to silence people.

CC - Thanks for your opinion. Did you offer to review the show? I imagine if you feel an opposing view is needed, that Spirit would welcome a second review. I'd love to see it :)

Sandie - I am geniunely puzzled why they chose to bald face lie about Jeremy's triumphant drive into the sunset because it was one of the few events they didn't *have to* stage. Sure, *I* would have been critical of Mommy taking the big boy to college at 21... but its an instance where popular opinion tends to go against me.

Michelle said...

I don't understand why they lied about that stuff either.

I at least understand why they didn't reveal the fact that Jacob was expelled from school or talk about Jeremy's increased involvement in the controversial anti-gay, women surpressing church. I don't think that's right because if they are going to do an update special they should at least be honest, but I don't understand why they go out of their way to lie.

I get that they wanted to have an emotional goodbye scene with Jeremy leaving, but honestly, would it have been impossible to get that emotion across if they had been honest about Amy driving down with Jeremy to get him set up. That actually isn't unusual for a kid going off to college. Amy even talked about that happening with her when she went off to college.

If they wanted a real goodbye scene, was it really too much to have a crew go to Santa Barbara for half a day and film the real goodbye between Amy and Jeremy (when Amy left). I think that could have been emotional and it wouldn't have been a blatant lie and acting like what we saw last night.

kp said...

And let me just mention how flabbergasted I am that Jeremy's studio apartment is $975 a month. I live in a townhouse at least twice the size of his for $600. Thank GOD I don't live in California.

Jocelynn said...

KP, I actually thought that was a deal for Santa Barbara. I wonder if it was discounted because of the filming (but who are we kidding, you can't trust anything the Roloffs present on tv to be a fact, it's lie after lie).

But I thought it was impossible to get any place in Santa Barbara under $1500

Timothy said...

The Roloffs should pray to Jesus about how it's wrong to lie since they seem think its okay dokey to lie.

Tiffany, if the Roloffs are going to post and get praised for how Christian they are, it should be thrown in their face when they do things that directly contradict it.

Does your church teach you that Jesus advocates lying?

Rap541 said...

Oh Tiffany - why so defensive?

Its duly noted that you're attacking me personally :)

I bring God into it because Roloff fans enjoy shoving it in everyone's faces how the Roloff, especially Jeremy, stand up for Christ and god bless them, they always show their Christian colors! Except that over six years of this show, we've had Jeremy once say something religious... and it was last night :) WHy, since the Roloffs give glory to God every day as I am told again and again, was "Thank you Jesus" nicely blotted out and avoided? I mean... the Christian set was so delighted to note with pride that Jeremy was putting "Thank You Jesus!" on the front of his van.... Funny how that intentionally not being shown hasn't bothered anyone... funny how that was chosen to not be shown...

Oh and I thought after the many many "Drinking is FINE! ITS IN THE BIBLE!" that we had all agreed drinking was fine? I guess not since you're personally attacking me over a comment I made as a joke but since you have such issues, Tiffany....

What is your opinion of the Roloff twins having 20 year old Mueller and 17 year old Christan drinking shots of alcohol in the Roloff garage? Hey was that good responsible adult behavior? And should Amy and Matt be aplauded for allowing it? Since, you know, drinking is wrong?

Also - why, if you aren't attempting to control posting by telling people how wrong it is to not post positively and that they are wrong to do so - remember, you're agreeing with Anon who says "if you don't like them, don't watch them, it makes no sense post about something you dislike" - which yeah, is kinda "love the Roloffs or shut up". Sorry, but it is.

Also - you actually haven't addressed any of the points Megan or I made, you're just personally attacking me, and ignoring Megan's well thought out explanation (which is actually better than mine)

I think you have every right to enjoy last night's show. You'll notice I am not making fun of you, or of the other posters who have said they enjoyed the show... thats because everyone has the right to their opinion. I might think they are wrong, but again... no one is saying "we don't want to hear it here, go take the love over to Matt's facebook"... thats your game not mine.

(waits for Tiffani to respond with more "well, you're poopyface!" commentary)

Rap541 said...

Oh and btw, yup I missed the Laz-E-boy references totally :)

I was too busy watching Matt and Amy and the kids *act* a family dinner for us to notice the product placement. And it went right by me as Jeremy *acted out a scene* where he pretended to recieve a letter he'd gotten months before for the cameras, and I also was kinda distracted by the whole "NOW I AM ASKING A SERIOUS QUESTION OF A FAMILY MEMBER" series of conversations that were acted out for us, the tee hee hee Mule Race, and Jeremy's triumphant *fake* drive off by himself. That, you know, didn't happen.

Tiffany said...

I promise there won't be any "poopyface" comments coming from me. :P

Rap, I seriously think that you don't like the fact that there are people out there who genuinely still do have positive feelings towards the entire Roloff family. Now you say "why does Tiffany think that?" The answer is the fact that when anybody posts a comment that is in support of the Roloffs, YOU are generally the very first person to respond with the comment "it's such a shame that you feel that way. Did you know that the Roloffs did this and that?" Yet, when a negative comment gets posted, YOU usually say, "oh man, I totally agree with you." Its not the fact that I'm trying to silence people's negative comments. I get it, negativity is more accepted than positivity, that's the way of the world. And yes, its more "entertaining" than positivity but my point is...just don't attack the people who still like the Roloff family.

Timothy..and yes you as well Rap...I strongly, STRONGLY suggest you listen closely. To address Timothy directly, the very fact that you said that since the Roloffs are proud to be Christian and it should be thrown in their face when they don't act accordingly is a total contradiction to the Roloffs, everyone reading this, me and even to YOURSELF. That's because NO ONE (that I know of at least) strictly follows their religious laws, not even the people who work within the church itself. The very fact that you even commented something like that proves that about you Timothy.
But religion is something that gives you faith and something to believe in..not something to directly follow because like I've said, the people who work inside the Church don't even do it. If one were to do that then in all reality, that's just simply the blind leading the blind. Attaching oneself to a specific religion simply means that at the core of your being, you can relate to what's being said.

Being religious..or following a certain religion..doesn't exclude the fact that we are all in something called the human experience. We live our lives in order to experience different things. Now Rap..yes I'm still talking to you..the fact that there was some underage drinking going on..yes that's unfortunate..but I don't think it should be held against them for all eternity. I'm sure we've all done something we shouldn't have done when we were underage. Just imagine if someone hounded you your whole life for something you did when you "weren't supposed to."

Sandie said...

Sometimes the truth is negative, and sometimes the truth needs to be said.

Rap541 said...

In fairness, Tiffani - people question me openly with "why do you think that, I think the Roloffs are awesome!" ALL of the time... in fact you're doing now and so was the anon you are so zealously defending - why post anything at all if you aren't posting praise was their point that you emphatically agreed with. Once it was pointed out that it was a free discussion board, you began calling me a drunk aka "engaging in childish namecalling because you can't make a better arguement".

Have I namecalled you *anything*? Tiffany? Made any disparging remarks about your personal habits or lifestyle choices? Yes, I have called you, in a subtle way, childish, because you're acting childish when we all are speaking like adults and you're "Rap's a drunk! ANd no one should say anything but nice things and if you disagree you just like being mean!" so your actions point that I am being accurate.

You don't like the God discussion... you can take your own advice and don't look at it and don't read it, or you can do what you're telling the rest of us not to do, and complain about it. Why do you get to be negative but the rest of us have to sit silently?

You don't like the fact that I expect better behavior from people who laud themselves as good Christians? Oh well. You can continue to say the Roloffs stand up for Jesus as they pointedly excise Jesus's name from their show.

So indeed, you don't think the Roloffs - any of them - did anything worth any negative comment when they were allowing underage drinking on their property... yet you're namecalling me a drunk? Please explain why you're holding me accountable in public with a very public label "drunk" when you don't know me in the slightest and have NO GENIUNE IDEA if I even had alcohol on Sunday (I didn't actually) but... you are darn certain to make it clear that the Roloffs are Christ blessed forgiven for giving alcohol to someone else's kid. Why exactly are you publically hounding me anyway? Its perfectly legal for me to drink, yet I get namecalled. Point out the Roloffs break the law and btw Matt and Amy and Jeremy and Zach aren't underage and all should have some idea of their personal liability in giving alcohol to the twin's minor friends.... and you're all forgivess.

I am guessing that you wouldn't be so forgiving of me... since you've already established the double standard... Forgive the Roloffs always but DRINKING is bad and God bless tiffany for calling someone she doesn't know a drunk! :)

Btw - you're still making your posts all about how you don't like my posts :)

Rap541 said...

In fairness, Tiffani - people question me openly with "why do you think that, I think the Roloffs are awesome!" ALL of the time... in fact you're doing now and so was the anon, so zealously defending - why post anything at all if you aren't posting praise was their point that you emphatically agreed with. Once it was pointed out that it was a free discussion board, you began calling me a drunk aka "engaging in childish namecalling because you can't make a better arguement".

Have I namecalled you *anything*? Tiffany? Made any disparging remarks about your personal habits or lifestyle choices? Yes, I have called you, in a subtle way, childish, because you're acting childish when we all are speaking like adults and you're "Rap's a drunk! ANd no one should say anything but nice things and if you disagree you just like being mean!" so your actions point that I am being accurate.

You don't like the God discussion... you can take your own advice and don't look at it and don't read it, or you can do what you're telling the rest of us not to do, and complain about it. Why do you get to be negative but the rest of us have to sit silently?

You don't like the fact that I expect better behavior from people who laud themselves as good Christians? Oh well. You can continue to say the Roloffs stand up for Jesus as they pointedly excise Jesus's name from their show.

So indeed, you don't think the Roloffs - any of them - did anything worth any negative comment when they were allowing underage drinking on their property... yet you're namecalling me a drunk? Please explain why you're holding me accountable in public with a very public label "drunk" when you don't know me in the slightest and have NO GENIUNE IDEA if I even had alcohol on Sunday (I didn't actually) but... you are darn certain to make it clear that the Roloffs are Christ blessed forgiven for giving alcohol to someone else's kid. Why exactly are you publically hounding me anyway? Its perfectly legal for me to drink, yet I get namecalled. Point out the Roloffs break the law and btw Matt and Amy and Jeremy and Zach aren't underage and all should have some idea of their personal liability in giving alcohol to the twin's minor friends.... and you're all forgivess.

I am guessing that you wouldn't be so forgiving of me... since you've already established the double standard... Forgive the Roloffs always but DRINKING is bad and God bless tiffany for calling someone she doesn't know a drunk! :)

Btw - you're still making your posts all about how you don't like my posts :)

CC said...

I missed where Tiffany called you a drunk Rap, but I didn't miss it when you called yourself one.

Rap541 said...
Wha? Who in the whassut? Shoot, I have to do a review.... Good thing I have two hours to sober up!
October 2, 2011 7:03 PM

Why lie? What's the story? Were you drunk and now lying about being drunk or were you lying about being drunk in the first place. I think the reason you are constantly called on the carpet for being negative is because you always make up things for pure attention. You inject untruths in every post. What is really interesting is that you actually possess the same traits and tendencies that you loath and accuse the Roloff's of having.

Randy said...

Near the end when the gang was playing shirtless soccer and frisbee, one of the friends had some tribal looking tattoos all along one of their arms and part of their back. For a second I thought it was Mueller but the camera cut away too fast. Did anyone else catch this?

Ashley said...

Randy, I didn't notice. But Bryan Roth has a big tattoo on his back. I didn't think he was there for the going away party because they put up names of all the other friends that had been on the show over the years but not Bryan and Scott.

Tiffany said...

Thank you CC

Rap541 said...

CC - here's a lil quote from Tiffany. I've bolded relevant parts for you. :)

As far as I've seen, nobody on this site has ever posted any such thing or maybe in your drunken state you just imagined it and assume it to be reality.


And actually, because the double standard "drinking is so very very wrong but if a Roloff does it, its Christ blessed" that has been an issue on this website for *years* - complete with people accusing me of being an alcoholic because (gasp) I drink responsibly and do not get into my car to go places once I have been drinking.... I made a joke referencing back it.

I'll admit an ulterior motive... I had a pretty good feeling that someone would leap on the comment to make personal attacks - and you and Tiffany have not disappointed at all. ;)

Am I "a drunk"? Do I just occasionally enjoy a glass of wine? If your opinion mattered to me in the slightest... I might tell you. But instead, I will note that we have yet again, some poster with a brand new nickname and a very familar posting style making a review about the Roloffs show all about the reviewer rather than comment on the show itself. Which isn't a shock or a surprise... and it's really not fooling anyone.

As to honesty on the internet? Hey, believe me or not. Personally I take everything I hear on the internet with a grain of salt until I have it corroborated. If you want to put your hand on the bible and swear to Jesus Christ you believe every thing a roloff says.... I bet spirit would happily post the youtube link here. :)

Rap541 said...

ps Tiffany - Meghan B made some nice well thought out comments pertaining to your complaints that you have completely ignored since namecalling me a drunk (please see the *quotes* that you thanked CC for insisting didn't happen) so why don't you address Meghan's comments since they are very similar to mine but don't have "Rap541" attached to them?

Afraid? I mean, lets face it, you;ve made this about the posters... why AREN'T you ripping Meghan B who is defending me to shreds? :)

Tiffany said...

Back and forth huh Rap.

Well..I did write a response to you about your previous post and I did click the "post comment" button but either it didn't go through and Spirits didn't get it or they sided with caution and decided not to approve it. Either way, I addressed the fact that I may have namecalled you..among several other topics.
This is what I had said about it...when I wrote "in your drunken state," that was only a figure of speech. True, I don't know you, but if you really are guilty by association..well then friend...that ain't my fault.

Rap541 said...

So Tiffany - balls out on the table, are you calling me a drunk or not?

I mean what kind of figure of speech is "in your drunken state"?

And you do realize it was CC and not you, Tiffany, who was denying that you called me a drunk?

With respect to Spirit - I've lost about five comments on this thread alone. It might be your browser.

Any thoughts on Meghan's comments? Or is it just easier to name call me a drunk and why do you have such an issue when MATT drinks and rolled a car and got a DUI back in the day? You do have a problem with that or is it ok to drink if you are a Roloff and not if you are a Rap? :)

You made the comment - you've made this about ME and my being a drunk so stand up for Matt and explain how his DUI conviction after rolling a car is ok because he went to an aversion program and my complete lack of a DUI means I am more of a drunk :)

What exactly is my guilt? I mean Matt says he had beer parties... under your logic, guilt by association, he's an alcoholic. Oh and he allows kids to drink on his property underage, guilt by association, ain't no one's fault but Matt's, right? Maybe he shouldn't be smoking and joking about the beer party bonfires, but he did so he's a drunk since he made the comment and guilt by association and add in the pics of his kids and their underage friends doing shots... come on Tiffany... he's guilty *under your criteria*.

Thanks tiffany. :)

Dana said...

Jeremy was totally right vs Zach in the dinner discussion.

Jeremy worded it well and was right. It wasn't a mistake and Jeremy was right to wait.

He now knows what he wants to do. He didn't when he came out of high school. It would have been a mistake to rush into a career or a college without him knowing what direction to head in. He waited and found his calling.

Through prayer, and the help of God, he realized what was the best path for him to take.

Tabby said...

Okay, so crap! I missed the special...Does anyone know of a stream where I can watch it?
Just wanted to add this tidbit of opinion where it concerns the Roloffs faith. I myself am a practicing Christian. While I was growing up I didn't go to private Christian school, but we were at church 3 times a week and super involved. I rebelled A LOT,because of my inability to choose for myself, but I eventually came back and chose for myself. But with the Roloffs in mind, I do feel that i would not have the same relationship with God today if it hadn't been for my childhood. But ALSO, do NOT get me wrong when I say that where people are in positions of example, there is always a difference between those that say it and those that live it! Although, through my experience i have no right to judge (unless I want to be judged) I do feel that there is a responsibility for Christians to live up to...especially on TV! I mean look at the Duggars...Awesomeness....

Tabby said...

And for the record, I think Rap and Tiffany are both right! LOL
I actually like the show and the Roloffs, but I thought Rap's review
was HA-larious!!!! I laughed sooo hard! ;)

Randy said...

Watching this reunion special, it's no wonder they cancelled the show to begin with...it became so staged and phony. I was a big fan of the show when it was on, but the last season or two was so scripted.

The reunion special just seemed so staged and set-up. I mean, the show hasn't been on in months, so you would think they would have plenty of material to make up an hour long show (really only about 42 minutes when you take into account commercials).

But instead they use 5 of those minutes to film a stupid mule race between Matt and Amy. If TLC can't even fill a 40 minute show with 10 months worth of material, then it's no surprise they didn't want to bring the Roloffs back for another 2 or 3 seasons.

luke said...

does anyone know where i can watch the 4 specials????