Thursday, November 24, 2011

Amy Roloff To Speak About Bias In Language: December 5th

On Monday Dec. 5, Amy Roloff will speak at an event about bias in language and discrimination. It is hosted by Alpha Sigma Phi, the Clark College chapter of Phi Theta Kappa : "History and Bias Encoded in Language."



The article goes onto say that during the event "members of Alpha Sigma Phi will narrate readings related to biases including appearance, race, disability, gender, sexual orientation, and education."

This is always a hot button topic for people who are aware of what the Roloffs support in their real lives. Regulars readers of our site are well aware of the issue.

Amy and Matt Roloff sell themselves as diversity speakers. They not only speak about issues pertaining to discrimination towards people with dwarfism, but the broader topic of discrimination against all minority groups and people with differences. As Amy described last Spring during a live Internet "Coffee Chat" - she has given speeches that she titled Being an individual tree among the forest: How to accept your difference and the differences of others".

It's a noble cause of course, so why does it always cause some controversy? It's because when people learn the truth about the Roloffs real actions and words and what they affiliate with -- many people feel that they take a noble cause - speaking about equality and turn it into nothing but a money making venture for themselves because they don't practice what they preach. In fact, I think it is fair to say that many people feel that the Roloffs themselves have bigoted attitudes towards some of the groups that they get paid to speak for -- primarily, the issue of sexual orientation and gay people.

You can find more details about all of these things by searching our archives, but it of course all started when Jeremy Roloff was found to be using numerous racial and gay slurs with his friends. To this day, the Roloffs have never actually apologized. Furthermore, they have vilified those that have said Jeremy was wrong for using those hurtful words and those that say they were disappointed by Matt and Amy's reaction to it.

While never specifically discussing it -- they have vaguely referenced it. In an interview once, Amy essentially expressed that it made her sad that Jeremy and his friends now needed to watch what they say and write because people would judge and criticize their use of slurs towards other groups -- and in Amy and the Roloffs mind - "blow it way out of proportion".

Even as recently as last month, Little People, Big World producer and very close Roloff family friend -- Chris Cardamone engaged in a Facebook discussion with fans who expressed their displeasure at Jeremy's slurs. After people pointed out that Jeremy has never apologized, Chris requested to know how those that were upset were personally hurt by Jeremy's use of the "N word" and "f*ggot" among others. This is sort of the standard Roloff and Roloff friend defense and it causes people to get up in arms when the Roloffs than present themselves as advocates for said Diversity Groups and collect a paycheck to speak about discrimination and how words are hurtful.

Through the years, Matt would spar through his online posts with those that have expressed their displeasure over the issue. Matt has referred to people that were either upset or expressed their disappointment or their thoughts that it makes the Roloffs hypocrites for teaching that midget is hurtful while Roloffs were using words such as the "N word", "beaner place called Mexico, and "f*ggot" and d*ke". Matt has referred to people who share those opinions as "haters" and "negative nellies".

Then aside from the Roloffs own use of slurs without apology, there is the whole issue of what the Roloffs really support. As religious conservatives, the Roloffs have supported multiple groups that are known for discriminating against minority groups - specifically gay people. When Amy first constructed her website, she infamously linked the controversial "Focus On The Family" -- which I think it is fair to say, they are perhaps most known for their anti-gay agenda and the millions of dollars they have spent to oppose gay rights in the gay marriage debate.

Then there is the Roloffs own religious associations. Years ago Roloffs and their friends attended a speech hosted by their local church - the speaker is a controversial "Ex-gay" -- Sy Rogers -- who speaks about how gay people must "pray the gay away". Then as the years have went by, the Roloffs and specifically Jeremy -- although the entire Roloff Family have attended this church -- have grown especially fond of the Solid Rock church in Portland, Oregon and Jeremy in particular is an enthusiastic supporter of the lead pastor - John Mark Comer. This church and John Mark Comer also preach and teach that gay people can and should (if they wish to not burn in Hell for eternity) pray to God to be cured of their "gay-ness".

In this video, this issue begins at the 2:40 mark in this video and is part of the "Loveology" series that Solid Rock holds every year. This past year, Molly Roloff attended the Loveology event with Jeremy. The entire Roloff family -- Matt and Amy included have attended Solid Rock also and Matt did proudly post that Jeremy volunteered as an usher at Solid Rock and loved it, while also posting about Jeremy and Molly attending John Mark Comer's Loveology event.





As we reported long ago, it is a fact that the Solid Rock church and John Mark's teachings are an essential part of Jeremy's life. He recommends them to friends and reportedly spends hours listening to the podcasts. Jeremy's girlfriend Audrey -- is also an enthusiastic "Solid Rock" supporter -- and lists John Mark Comer as one of her heroes and inspirations.

Of course - Jeremy and all of the Roloffs are completely entitled to hold whatever religious or social beliefs that they choose. However, when it's combined with the whole fact that they present themselves as Diversity Speakers and Advocates against discrimination for people with differences -- that then is what causes several people to see the Roloffs as phony and not "walking the walk" as diversity speakers.

Amy Roloff was once confronted about this issue during a live internet chat by someone who identified themselves as gay and felt it was hypocritical. Amy did not give a clear cut answer. She went back and forth and said maybe just because you attend a church, it doesn't necessarily mean you believe or agree with all the messages that the Church teaches. When this issue was raised again by a disgruntled fan on her Facebook Fan Page, Amy was a bit more vocal in her response -- saying that the Roloffs have a right to have their opinions on said issues.

Of course the Roloffs do have a right to hold whatever opinions they have on those issues -- it's just many feel that it should either disqualify them or at least demeans their effectiveness as legitimate Diversity Speakers and many people do feel it is highly hypocritical and have made the point that they wonder how the Roloffs would feel about attending a Keynote Speech from a Diversity Speaker and an equality rights activist -- who in their own personal life actually supports movements that would work against rights of people with dwarfism or if it became known that the diversity speaker supported organizations that taught that people with dwarfism must pray to get taller in order to be accepted?

52 comments:

Carol said...

I would have a lot more respect for the Roloffs if they had the guts to just say 'This is what I believe. Gays are an abomination. Their difference should not be accepted. They need to pray to change themselves to be like the rest of society. However, I (and others with dwarfism) should be accepted as I am.

After they are honest, then let the chips fall where they may.

If gay rights groups, knowing that, want to book Amy for their event, then that's their decision, but at least the Roloffs would be honest instead of being slimy and deceitful.

my life said...

Oh please thats her opinon , free speech .

Sandie said...

Well said, Carol. Exactly. At this point I have lost any hope that any of the Roloffs will become aware of anyone else besides themselves, and that's very sad to me.

Well done, Spirits.

Vic Rattlehead said...

Isn't having a self serving ignorant homophobic fundie christiann speak about gay rights a little like having Hitler speak about racial tolerance?

Gail said...

The Roloffs don't care about acceptance of others, they only care about themselves and getting the most they can for themselves.

Mike P. said...

Since the OregonLive blog isn't posting comments about Roloff's speaking date, here are contact addresses for a campus gay group and the school newspaper.

These people (one hopes) might want to question Amy Roloff's real commitment to the human rights field, and her apparent use of it as a mealticket, since she and her family don't practice its ideals in their own lives.

I would message the group and the newspaper editors with a copied address to the Nov. 24 post ABOVE, because it contains a good summation of the Roloff's hypocrisy. Then I would state a short case against deceit and hypocrisy in my own words, and urge questions at the event.

1) Queer Penguins and Allies
qpandallies@gmail.com

2) The Independent (newspaper)
www.clark.edu/student_life/independent.php
(There are addresses for editors.)

Derek said...

Thanks Mike. Also good to know I'm not the only one that had comments rejected. I made a comment on Oregonlive making the same points Spirits made but they didn't publish it.

Christa P said...

GREAT idea, Mike. Thank you.

Tiffany said...

Sure..the Roloffs are public figures and public figures are held up to a higher standard than the rest of us but despite that, they are entitled to have their own personal opinions and views without having them publically criticized.

Michelle Thomas said...

Tiffany and "My Life", I think you're forgetting that the Roloffs are DIVERSITY speakers. They advertise themselves and want to get paid to represent acceptance of differences and minority groups.

Go ahead and have their non diverse and unaccepting views for people that are different than they are, but don't have your hand out saying you should speak on the issue of acceptance of differences.

They are frauds.

Tiffany said...

Michelle,

I think you're forgetting the fact that the Roloffs are speakers of ACCEPTING people with diversity issues. You see, there is a difference.
We all accept (for the most part) every diverse person that comes into our lives. However, that doesn't necessarily mean that we agree with every personal facet or decision that person chooses to make. Case and point..all of us readers have accepted the Roloff family in our lives with their diversity issues but it seems most of the readers don't necessarily agree with their personal views and choices.
Is that to say those people are all hypocrites and frauds too?

Michelle Thomas said...

Tiffany, let me put it like this. If a celebrated vegetarian that spoke at animal rights events and became known for speaking out against eating meat and how wrong it is, was found to really be eating at and operating steak houses and slaughter houses, would you think that is hypocritical?

I would! No matter what you think of vegetarians or eating meat, it is representing a cause that you are not backing up in your life. You're putting on a show. An act. That person is pretending to be a representative for vegetarians when they are supporting the opposite away from the microphones.

That's exactly what the Roloffs are doing as it relates to diversity speaking. They pretend be representatives of diversity and acceptance, but really, away from the spotlight, they are supporting and promoting non acceptance of differences.

Anonymous said...

Sure..the Roloffs are public figures and public figures are held up to a higher standard than the rest of us but despite that, they are entitled to have their own personal opinions and views without having them publically criticized.

Why? Why are the Roloffs entitled to be public figures and paid public speakers but are also entitled to have personal opinions and views without any public criticism?

What other public figures have this priveledge?

Tiffany said...

Michelle, my point was that the Roloffs speak on accepting diverse people. And by the way, they probably mean it as "accept diverse people in general" and not "accept diverse people and the exact same views, beliefs, and personal decisions they make on a day to day basis." And yes, I'm sure that the Roloffs do accept all diverse persons they come into contact with as human beings first and foremost. As I said, they don't have to accept every single personal thing about the said person.

Anon-let me be straight up with you. The Roloffs are entitled to have their own personal views and opinions without public criticism because (oh no!!! I'ma bout to bring up that Facebook issue from a couple of days ago)they are entitled to their own privacy. 'Nough said.

Timothy said...

Tiffany, I think you're running around the issue. You can't be a diversity speaker about acceptance and then not accept diversity!

If I said "I accept diversity. Pay me to speak about how people who are different should be accepted as they are....but then I spend my time around organizations that teach that dwarves must pray to grow taller because they are perverted the way they are now.....do you think I would be a hypocrite?

There is only one answer to that question.

Michelle Thomas said...

"As I said, they don't have to accept every single personal thing about the said person."

It's not "every single thing"...it's THE thing that makes said person diverse...

@Timothy, exactly.

Mike P. said...

I won't argue the topic of "personal" belief, but I doubt that a genuine advocate for diversity would ever hold the beliefs, use the words or support the organizations that the Roloff couple does. Saying one thing (for pay) while behaving otherwise is the mark of a fraud.

And they do behave otherwise. Paid advocates for diversity, the Roloffs also sponsor fund-raisers for an ultra-right-wing Oregon politician.

Bruce Starr is anti-abortion, anti-immigrant and anti-gay. He and his father Charles (now out of the legislature) worked loudly against anti-discrimination law to protect gay citizens. They oppose gay marriage; oppose driver's licenses for unregistered migrants; oppose most public education; favor home-schooling; oppose a woman's right to choice, seeking to impose every possible obstacle to abortion.

And so on. In 2010, Matt Roloff held fund-raisers for Bruce Starr and contributed $574 to his campaign. So much for diversity.

The Roloffs are evangelical Christians. A personal choice for sure, but think how their beliefs work to strangle the lives and hopes of gay people alone.

Evangelical Christians are busy in the US with efforts to repeal gay-rights, anti-discrimination ordinances in places where they have been passed, and to prevent passage of new law. They wrote the Manhattan Declaration, a vow never to honor law intended to protect the rights of gay citizens.

In Africa, evangelical Christians have gone to to "advise" governments on the "homosexual threat." Now, these governments are passing laws that criminalize homosexuality. In Uganda alone, gay persons are subject to life prison sentences just for being gay. A death sentence for homosexuality is constantly under discussion there, and passage is likely.

Do the Roloffs support this? Yes, they do.

When you attend services at these churches, send children to their schools, and contribute money to their funds, you support them in all that they do. Most cruelly, when you turn a blind eye to what your money buys (prison and death penalties for gay persons), you support the purchase.

Amy's topic at Clark College concerns bias in language. Interesting. Considering Amy's frequent use of highly biased language, and her refusal to change it, the evening ought to be instructive. Again, it's about gay people. Amy refers to homosexuality as a "choice." She refers to "the homosexual lifestyle," She mutters about "what they do."

What's wrong? It's all false, all demeaning, and worst, it grants literal permission to attack gay persons - socially, psychologically (think bullying and gay teen suicides) and even physically (think gay-bashing).

Today, "choice" is the word used by persons who will not accept social diversity that includes gay citizens. If you "choose" to be that way, you should suffer the consequences. So there's no need to offer legal protection or develop understanding; you did it to yourself.

But it's false. Straight or gay, no one chooses a sexual orientation; the mechanisms aren't precisely known, but "choice" is clearly not part of it.

Amy speaks of the "homosexual lifestyle," yet never explains it. Maybe because it doesn't exist, or makes a much sense as the "heterosexual lifestyle" - which we know is as varied and various as every heterosexual living it.

And "the homosexual lifestyle" is also a dismissive term, meant to imply disgust, to demean, and always linked with "choice." Persons who use it, including Amy, intend to make it seem a cheap choice and, especially, a sex-only choice, as if that is all that gay people do. Amy would say "he's a butcher, he's a baker, he's a candlestick maker. And he's gay."

The language of bias is spoken loud and clear in the Roloff house. Will Amy confront it at this gathering? I wouldn't bet on it. Her "personal beliefs" are nobody's business.

Tiffany said...

Timothy, let me be a bagillion percent clear on what I'm saying here. The Roloffs speak on the subject of ACCEPTING DIVERSE PEOPLE. Ok...so that group would include what??? Dwarfs, gays/lesbians, every single race, creed, and religion AND every single type of disability and sexual orientation ever to walk on this planet. So since that list of "nominees" is totally out of the way now, lets go back and focus on the three key words of the evening....accepting. diverse. people.

Notice, if you will, the general term there is people. Right, people is a general term isn't it? It does not, however, state that in order to accept diverse people (which remember, is a general term)that one must also accept every single decision, thought, action, opinion, feeling...and on and on....that person chooses to make in their personal life. Because c'mon, seriously, none of us are robots that have the same mindset programmed into each other.
So there you have it: One can accept diverse people without having to also accept every ideal the said person(s) has.

Class is now dismissed!! (;

krisa said...

No one is saying the Roloffs have to accept people and those people's beliefs carte blanc.
Humans are born deaf, blind, dwarfs, heterosexual, homosexual, deformed mentally or physically, etc.
With respect to homosexuals, which I believe one is born that way, is the prejudice, bias and hate directed toward this group of people. The Roloffs may not agree with the lifestyle of homosexuals, but surely they don't agree with the hate, bias and predjudice.

Rap541 said...

Tiffany - they aren't accepting diverse people for who they are if they believe *some* types of diverse people choose to be diverse and *could* simply change their minds, and should if they want to be right with God.

I mean, take the marriage issue. I won't put words in the Roloff family's mouth (since they stand up for Jesus but won't ever make a clear statement on their views of homosexuality) but they do clearly support Bruce Starr, who is anti-gay marriage.

In the issue of gay marriage - I see a lot of Christians saying basically "I accept gays! I have gay friends, I don't think gay people should be beaten up, but marrying? No, thats wrong. Its against my religious beliefs"

This is the SAME arguement made, complete with Bible quotes of support, that brought us laws against interracial marriage. Complete with the whole "I accept african americans! I have african american friends! I don't want to see any african americans get beaten up... But marry my white daughter? No, thats wrong, thats against my religious beliefs."

*In fairness, back in the day, they prolly would have used the term "black" as opposed to african american.

You're not actually accepting diverse people if you truly believe they shouldn't be accorded the same right that you have. If Amy Roloff geniunely believes that gay people should be refused the right to legally marry because of her religious beliefs, then she is not accepting them.

*Since no member of the Roloff family has ever had the balls to make a definative statement on what they believe, I won't ascribe these beliefs to them. Its their anonymous friends who say the Roloffs proudly stand up for Jesus against homosexuals - but the Roloffs themselves apparently just feel its too private and I'd like all the Christian fans to note that - when it comes to being proud and loud for Christ, the Roloffs hesh up about what they actually believe.

Kyle said...

So well put, it needs repeating,

"You're not actually accepting diverse people if you truly believe they shouldn't be accorded the same right that you have" -Rap541

Dustin said...

When Amy was asked on live chat, she wasn't even willing to say 'yes I believe gay people should be accepted with their difference and shouldn't be encouraged to pray to cure them of their difference'.

Some diversity speaker!

cookie said...

Although many others on this particular blog have had some insightful comments, I think Mike P. has said it best. Reread his post. And then read it again. I'm thinking of posting this on Amy Rudeoff's FB page but alas that means I'd have to "like" her page and frankly, I can't stand the woman or anything about her or her family.

Tiffany said...

First off..well said Mike P. Well researched too!! ;)
Now here is my problem with what most of the comments are saying.

You guys are basically saying that if the Roloffs agree with certain views of certain organizations and certain people that they also accept everything that organization or person is about. Conservative Christian?? What if they relate to a lot of things that are teached but not everything their church teaches? Bruce Starr? Maybe they like his politics??
The Roloffs have their own mind and don't have to blindly accept everything about the organizations and people they support. Hell, I'm sure there are many times when most of you go home after attending church and discuss the things you like and...wait for it, wait for it...DIDN'T like about what the preacher said. So hey..that would make most of you hypocrites just for calling the Roloffs hypocrites for doing the exact same thing that you do.

Getting paid to be a diversity speaker and still having your own personal opinions and views?? Lets put it this way..we all get paid to do something. If you work for a company, they have an agenda for you to pertain to. Being general, if you work in customer service, hey "customer first. Treat everybody with respect even if they don't have/show respect to you." For that period of time that you're working on the clock..you stay true to the motto the company tells you because, no surprise, you're getting paid and that's your bread and butter. But what about after you clock out and go home? Do you still carry that motto with you in your personal life, basing every decision you make and every organization you support on the motto your company says?

Of course you don't.

Timothy said...

Tiffany, you're walking both sides of the fence. You're implying that although the Roloffs are connected time and time again to organizations and message that teach to squash diversity and urge people with differences to pray their difference away.

Then you go onto say it's perfectly fine to take on the mantle of diversity speaker, pretend to be pro-diversity while you're on the clock being paid, but the moment you step outside, it's perfectly fine to not accept diversity.

I disagree. It's being phony.

Pumpkin said...

Um, Tiffany? Have you ever held a job that required you to contravene your deeply-held personal values and beliefs? Did you deny your personal values for a paycheck? If so, then perhaps I understand your position on the Roloffs receiving pay as "diversity speakers." If you are willing to "whore yourself out" for money, then you are in fine company with Matt and Amy.

Personally, I would never accept a job that required me to publicly act in a way that went against my personal and/or religious values. I carry my beliefs with me wherever I go, because that is WHO I AM. I don't magically turn into someone else when I leave the office.

And frankly, neither do Matt and Amy. Matt is the same narcissistic attention whore in private that he is publically. Amy is the same two-faced materialistic money grubber who says in one breath "We don't need much" while in the next breath wants to tell you all about the 17 cars her family owns now.

However, leaving that aside for the sake of discussion, it is important to note that what Matt and Amy are being paid to do as "diversity" speakers is use their personal experience as little people to inform and educate people about how hurtful certain language and actions can be when used to deny a specified group of people the same respect and treatment afforded to "normal" people.

Their "job" is not separate from their lives as little people or the insults/discrimination they have faced. They would not have these speaking opportunities if they were not little people. So in this case, it is indeed deceitful and hypocritical to claim publically that, as a person who is "different," you are entitled to live and be treated just like anybody else, while privately holding a different opinion regarding other people of "difference."

Do you think that Matt and Amy believe that allowing their children to use derogatory language in reference to other people's nationality or sexual orientation is not hurtful towards those people? Or, if they concede that it is hurtful, that it is okay for "those people" to be insulted while insisting that THEY be accorded respect and dignity as little people?

If you support acceptance of diversity, that means at the very least you support treating all other people equally, regardless of their differences. That means that even if you don't like someone's "difference," you still have to treat that person with the same respect you expect. Because if you don't support that, then what does "acceptance" of diversity even mean?

Matt and Amy have no business speaking about diversity and acceptance, and shame to the organizations that actually pay them money to do so.

Brandon said...

Brilliantly said, Pumpkin.

Tiffany said...

Timothy, I have never..and neither have you quite frankly, have heard any of the Roloffs tell somebody to pray their diversity away. No, the organizations/ people they're involved with spew that and you imply that the Roloffs also say the same exact thing because apparently when you support something, you become that organizations/persons robot and can't have your own personality.

And by the way, I guess all of us should become monotonous, corporate byproducts of the industry we work in and consistently live by the "rules" the company makes for us in our private lives so that none of us will ever be phony again.

Brandon said...

C'mon Tiffany. Why do the Roloffs keep on surrounding themselves with these messages?

John Mark Comer, Solid Rock Church, Sy Rogers, Harvest Church, Focus on the Family, Bruce Starr, friends who spout the same stuff, a family member that uses the slurs without apology ....gee you don't think there is a reason why the Roloffs are connected to all this stuff?

Tiffany said...

Pumpkin, you just answered the point I've been making all along sweetie.

"If you support acceptance of diversity, that means at the very least you support treating all other people equally, regardless of their differences. That means that even if you don't like someone's "difference," you still have to treat that person with the same respect you expect."

Thank you, thank you, thank you!! That is my point!! OMG, I might cry :') but I won't.

Accepting PEOPLE no matter what their difference is is what the Roloffs speak on. PEOPLE!!!! Not every personal lifestyle choice or private decision, etc. that PERSON chooses to make!!!
One more time???? ACCEPTING PEOPLE, not their decisions they make in their personal lives.

Rap541 said...

Nicely said, Pumpkin.

Tiffany - I am curious. Ted Haggard was a preacher who made his living preaching that homosexuality was wrong.

In his private life, he was having homosexual sex.

I trust you agree that under your own arguement, there's nothing hypocritical going on here?

More seriously, Brandon makes a nice point - John Mark Comer, Bruce Starr, Focus on the Family, family members and friends who used slurs with no significant concern, and I'll add Amy being asked directly about whether she agreed with her church's stance on homosexuality and her unwillingness to say "Yeah, thats a viewpoint I don't agree with" - why are the Roloffs associated with all these people and organizations that have undiverse views?

I'll repeat two things I said earlier. For people who are supposedly proud to stand up for their religious values, the Roloffs certainly keep their mouths shut on the topic of homosexuality. Second, you're not actually accepting diverse people if you truly believe they shouldn't be accorded the same rights that you have.

Timothy said...

"you still have to treat that person with the same respect you expect."

Tiffany, think about how Amy expects to be treated? She wants the right to be parents. She is on record (very moving actually) saying that her greatest fear was that her kids would be taken from her because she was a "different" parent.

Amy expects the right to love who she chooses and marry who she wanted.

Amy expects not to be belittled and have others tell her that she is perverted and must pray to Jesus, for God to make her "normal" so she is not different.

That's how Amy expects to be treated. By associating with all the groups and messages that Brandon named, Amy is not abiding by that for other groups with "differences".

Tiffany said...

Here we go back into the circle again..and around and around we go!!!!

Hi there Rap! ;) Ted Haggard is the most extreme example of hypocrisy. You're right, I'll give you that. But here again, I disagree with what you are saying. Actually, as a matter of fact, let me address both you and Timothy at the same time.

Both of you (and everyone else here for the most part) are using the same phrase "Roloffs association with organizations and friends." The optimum word here that everyone is stating and yet refusing to acknowledge is the word ASSOCIATION. Yes, the Roloffs have friends with certain views on different subjects and yes the Roloffs speak at events on different subjects but what you are trying to do is...are you ready for this...impose other people's and organizations thoughts and views onto the Roloffs that they might not necessarily share because of their association with them. I've said it several times before, the Roloffs each have their own personalities and can support or ASSOCIATE with persons/groups because of certain things they represent without also having to accept everything else they are about. Let me give you some prime examples of what I'm talking about.

All of us have friends, families and coworkers/classmates that we ASSOCIATE with. Now why is that? Because we like certain things about them. Do we blindly agree with and follow everything they talk about and do? No, because we are our own people who can form our own thought processes and decide what we personally feel about certain subjects.
Governor of Texas Rick Perry was on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno tonight. Jay asked him who he was most close with and he said John Huntsman and Newt Gingrich because they are good, personal friends. Yet, in the same breath he said that he doesn't agree with their ideas of politics.
And that's my case and point. You CAN associate with different groups/people without sharing the same exact ideas, thoughts and views as they do. Maybe Jeremy and his friends attend that church because they like the guys general messages in his sermons. Maybe Jeremy attended that sermon about being gay because he was curious as to what his preacher would say about it. Just because he attended it doesn't necessarily mean he agreed with everything that was said.

Anonymous said...

ACCEPTING PEOPLE, not their decisions they make in their personal lives

So the Roloffs "accept" practictioners of Islam but can also endorse Grandpa Ron's view that everyone has to swear that Jesus Christ is Lord in order to be considered American? Religion is a choice, and if the Roloffs don't like your choice, they can "accept" you - and get kudos for it - but they don't actually have to treat you with the same respect they would a Christian since they disagree with your lifestyle choices and have the right to insist you swear oaths to their god in order to prove your loyalty to them?

Tiffany said...

Here again Anon, you are imposing someone else's ideology onto every member of the Roloff family. :)

David said...

Tiffany, I find it hard to believe that you don't think that all those things that Brandon listed are in any way an indication of what the Roloffs believe.

Why didn't Amy flatly say she disagrees with the message of Solid Rock Church that she attends and that Jeremy promotes regarding gay individuals? Why doesn't Jeremy speak up and state what he believes?

The answer is for the same reason as you're so adamant in defending them on this point. They know that taking a stand would affect the bottom line - Roloff cash flow.

Anonymous said...

Tiffany -at last check Ron Roloff is a member of the Roloff family. Try again.

Vic Rattlehead said...

Tiffany:

Dream another dream, this dream is over.

The Roloffs are nothing more than selfish hateful bigots who see themselves as superior to anyone who isn't white rich and christian.

Tiffany said...

Um...no Anon, YOU check again. That is what RON ROLOFF believes, not what the whole family believes. One person's views simply cannot be placed on everybody else.

Anonymous said...

Tiffany - Ron is a member of the family. Do the Roloffs reject Ron's online stated beliefs?

Tiffany said...

I truly don't believe they would reject their own family member for any reason but with that said, Ron can have his beliefs while Peggy can have a different set and so on..all the way down to Jacob. I'm most definitely sure that Jacob doesn't see things the exact same way as his grandpa and for good reason..he shouldn't. You see, ideals change as the generations change. I'm willing to bet you don't have the exact same views as your grandparents, parents, or siblings just as I can tell you I don't have with mine. That's not to say you can't be a full, functional family without believing the exact same thing as everyone else because obviously you can.

Alas, it comes down to individuality. Each person can have their own distinct personality without being a replica of someone else and still be a close family.

Jocelynn said...

Tiffany, I actually agree with your point about Ron. Just because Ron has certain political beliefs, doesn't *necessarily* mean every member of the Roloffs feel the same way. I don't feel the same way politically as my Mother. I agree with you there.

Where I differ from you, is that taking in account all of the evidence (Brandon listed it nicely). That does strongly suggest what the Roloffs believe and it is what the Roloffs support.

It seems like some people will deny that's what the Roloffs believe unless they make a press release saying "We think homosexuals are perverts. We are against gays!"...the point that most people are making is there is good reason why the Roloffs don't make that public release. Because it will damage their career as diversity advocates and they know it.

Look at everything Jeremy supports. I would not drive from Helvetia to Portland on weekend nights to attend a church that preached what Solid Rock preaches if I felt strongly about accepting people who were different from me. Look at the same people Jeremy attends that church with, the non famous friends who don't need to worry about continuing a public speaking career. He attends this church, spreads these messages and the people he attends with also echos the same messages that are being taught. There comes a time where you need to be logical about things like that.

If that's what Jeremy believes and he does support it, he doesn't feel strongly enough on the issue of diversity to attend another church that didn't have that extreme message about gay people, yes I agree it wouldn't necessarily mean that's what Matt and Amy believe, but there are points to be made about that too.

Matt and Amy both have attended the same church as Jeremy(or churches because it is true about Sy Rogers at their former church). Matt has on at least two occasions used his Facebook page to boast about how proud he was that Jeremy was loving that church and that Jeremy and Molly were attending the church event where that message is spread.

Then add in the fact that Jeremy has used slurs that those organizations fight against and to this day, none of the Roloffs have ever apologized for it. I expect more of my "Diversity Advocates".

I wouldn't think Matt and Amy were phonies, if they took a stand. If they truly are genuine advocates of diversity, I want to hear them say that gay people should be afforded the same rights that Matt and Amy expect and shouldn't have messages directed at them in society that they are broken, perverted and need to pray to be turn "normal". I want to hear them say that they are disappointed Jeremy has made the choice to choose a church that teaches that exact message. You can still love a family member and not agree with their choices with such matters. I want to hear Matt and Amy say that. But they don't. They hide it and hope the organizations that are paying them don't figure it out. I expect people that want to take on the mantle of diversity advocates to speak out.

When Amy was asked point blank, she refused to say what she believed.

I am uncomfortable with the fact that people who are getting paid and who are "famous" because they are supposed to be representing the message of acceptance for people who are not the norm in society, are so closely tied, on several different levels and issues to causes and messages that directly contradict the message they are supposed to represent.

It is very phony, in my opinion.

Tiffany said...

Very well stated Jocelynn. (; Now let me say this..

People always pick out one issue on a subject and exploit it to the Nth degree while completely ignoring the rest of the issues at hand. The church that Jeremy and his friends attend is no different than any other religious based church in America. ALL churches preach on the anti-gay subject, not just the churches that the Roloffs and their friends attend.
That Loveology event that Jeremy and Molly attended?? Lets not forget that the sermon was based on love, relationships, and sex in general..NOT specifically just about the gay community. It just so happened to be the issue everybody picked up on..which is a tad unfortunate.

My question is...why doesn't anybody talk about the positive messages the church, John Mark, Comer, and the organizations the Roloffs support spread?

Jocelynn said...

Tiffany, I disagree that all churches preach the same message as Solid Rock and John Mark speaks about. Not all churches teach about "gay rehab". There's a reason why it's controversial. Because it's not done all of the time.

Actually people have talked about other issues that John Mark has preached about ;) Another one that got attention was the controversial view of what a woman's role is and how it's the woman's role to serve her husband in his life journey and it a wife should ask her husband questions about the Bible....

Jocelynn said...

Also, the reason why people talk about Jeremy's church's stance on gay people being perverted and broken and must pray to be cured by Jesus to be normal is because it's in direct opposition to the message that the Roloffs supposedly represent.

Tiffany said...

Concerning you second post Jocelynn..one should take up the issue with the church instead of placing the blame for the sermons subject squarely on the Roloffs. Secondly, you'll be pleasantly surprised that I agree that "gay rehab" is taking it to extremes. But lets face facts here, John Mark Comer is teaching directly from the Bible. In the Bible it clearly states that gay is a sin and it sets forth the "rules" of women. Mind you, I definitely don't agree with either of those views, but they are in the Bible nonetheless. Therefore, the problem is actually rooted with the Bible and the men who wrote it, along with the church at the time the Bible was..and I speak very clearly on this....EDITED together who supported it and not with the Roloffs or Mr. Comer.

Jocelynn said...

But Tiffany, there are Christians and Christian churches that do not give sermons on gay rehab. In 2011, it's hard to find a lot of churches that speak on that subject. But the Roloffs found one. And drive a fair distance to support it.

My feeling is that if being a diversity advocate was an issue that was important to them, and as people that make money and got their celebrity off of this message I think it should be, they would not support such an organization.

For instance, I would not support a church that was against interracial marriage (we can talk about what the Bible says about that and subjects such as racism...or what it says about people with physical deformities like the Roloffs being less...). I would find a church that did not speak on a subject that I find wrong and offensive. I wouldn't glow about the church, spread their messages and encourage my friends to become part of this church like Jeremy does with Solid Rock.

Tiffany said...

Yes, but Jeremy doesn't boast about the "anti-gay" subject matter. He boasts about the positive messages that his church teaches. Lets not forget, Solid Rock Church doesn't only preach an anti-gay message. In fact, I'm sure its a rarely mentioned subject to begin with.

Now then, none of us have ever heard the Roloffs stance on this subject...either for or against. That then leads us only to portray an image onto the Roloffs, which in all honesty is unfair.
I'll leave you with this for now. Earlier I was watching the Carlos Mencia special on Comedy Central. Near the end he was discussing an incident he had with a fan after a show one night. The fan was pissed off at one of the comments he had made during the show. During the discussion, Carlos tried to explain his act to the fan and as he was saying it, it reminded me so much of what most people do with the Roloffs on this anit-gay subject.
.....And I quote, "You wanna judge me based on how other people see me but you can't do that because that's not my responsibility....that's how they see it. You cannot chastise me for the fact that people misinterpret what I do or say."

Austin said...

The only people that can't see that it's crystal clear that Jeremy is a religious nut and a homophobic bigot are people with an agenda because they know it makes the Roloffs hypocrites.

zizzer zaz said...

frustrated in southern oregon! I have a very dear friend that attends Solid rock. i myself have visited many times and had a life changing experience from John Marks teachings on depression. I assure you there are far more subjects given attention to in this church than the gay lifestyle. Sin is sin, none is greater than another. I also do know personally people who have walked away from the gay lifestyle. It can be done thru much prayer and love.Which we christians fail to do miserably! However a dwarf cannot become taller or an african american become less african american. they are not the same thing. I am also a mother who's daughter wanted nothing more than a marriage and babies her whole life and as an adult walked into a gay marriage.still saying she isn't a lesbian . never was. too many reasons why these choices are often made. broken engagements, abuse, financial troubles...whatever the case may be, I do not love her any less nor have i disowned her or believe she has stopped loving her savior, but I still do not agree in gay marriage. does that make me a hypocrite? No. The whole point , which I think tiffany made, is love. we as christians often jump to disgust and hatred as opposed to the love of christ that can redeem a life. any life. whatever sin. Including my potty mouth, sex out of marriage,drug addiction, pornography, anger, dishonesty. whatever it may be,we are to love. Many of you have judged the roloff family. Labeling, them as money grubbing fame seekers that judge and are hypocritical. how sad. you don't know their heart and it only takes one time of seeing their hearts and the way they care for mankind to know they are people of integrity. Perfect? no. who is? these days the word gay and f**got and nigga are thrown around like idiot, geek or nerd. I hate it in my own son and his friends. african americans even use the N word. we are desensitized to the original hurtful meaning. it isn't right in any context and we should all be called on it...but to sit in judgment on the hearts of others we do not even know makes us pharisees and hypocrites in our own right. so as I always say, I will not throw the first stone, will you. I should probably be stoned for my imperfect life...who are we to judge? we are to love. no matter what.

Austin said...

Zizzer, first you say that John Mark Comer's church teaches a lot more than that gay people can "pray the gay away", then you go on to echo that sentiment completely.

No one ever said that's the only thing Solid Rock church teaches. But it is the thing that makes the Roloffs hypocrites.

Have you read the Bible? Have you read what Leviticus says about people with physical deformities like dwarfism? They are less.

If you don't stick to what the Bible says about them, why do you pick and choose?

I've always felt is is SO ignorant and arrogant for someone who is not gay to tell people who are gay that they weren't born that way, think that they know why the person is gay and then tell them the only way to get "right with God" is to pray the gay away.

I'm gay. You aren't. I think I would know what it's like better than you would.

People like you don't realize the damage your message is doing or you simply don't care.

You should read some suicide notes of gay teenagers, some of whom are convinced by the John Mark Comers of the world that they must be "cured". When that fails, they think the only solution is to kill themselves.

As it relates to the Roloffs, Amy's speaking about bias, about accepting yourself and then the Roloffs support this Solid Rock Church that teach that people need to pray their difference away.

It's a shameless money grab on the Roloffs part. They are hypocrites.

What's worse is they don't stand up and claim their beliefs.

Mike P. said...

zizzer zaz: I think Austin does quite well with his response to you, but I'd like to add my own.

Anyone who uses the term "gay lifestyle" to support her thoughts about homosexuality, immediately forfeits all claims to credibility. That would be you.

If there is one unfailing signal of complete, mean and likely deliberate ignorance of homosexuality--and all sexuality, for that matter--it is the use of the term "gay lifestyle" and the claim of choice (which you imply several times in your post). If you want to be taken seriously, the least you can do is get a command of fact.

But fact, of course, would change your mind, and that's a threatening thing, isn't it?

Just to be square, here is fact: No sexual orientation--straight or gay--is a choice; orientation just arrives, it just is. I made no choices (I'm straight) and neither did you (if you're honest). I believe my gay friends, who tell me that their experience is just like mine--and yours.

Further, to insist that there's a "gay lifestyle" is as foolish and laughable as claiming that there's a "straight lifestyle." It just doesn't exist, and you make a fool of yourself every time you insist that it does.

When you discuss homosexuality under false pretenses, with claims to knowledge you don't possess, you become a laughing stocking. It's odd that you don't ever notice.