Monday, February 20, 2012

Spiritswander Blog Defeats Matt and Amy Roloff's Subpoena

Spiritswander is very pleased to announce that a United States District Court Judge in Oregon has ruled in favor of Spiritswander and has quashed the Subpoena served on Google Inc. that was seeking the personal identifying information of every person that has ever contributed material or a comment to the Spiritswander blog site. The subpoena was issued by the stars of TLC's reality show"Little People, Big World" Matt and Amy Roloff. Spiritswander's Motion to Quash the subpoena has been GRANTED.


We felt this was a clear abuse of subpoena powers on the behalf of Matt and Amy Roloff since we have nothing to with Washington County and their current lawsuit regarding land use and trespassing. We argued that the Roloffs were unfairly targeting Spiritswander and its community of posters for retaliation by seeking their personal information and was abusing the process by involving us in a completely unrelated matter, simply because they have a long-standing personal dislike for the opinions expressed on the Spiritswander Blog.

I maintain in court documents that I felt the public figure Roloffs' dislike of the Spiritswander Blog originated when I stated that I felt it was wrong for the Roloffs son, Jeremy Roloff, to use racial and homophobic slurs. Many readers as well as myself commented that we felt it was disappointing that Jeremy never apologized for it and felt that the Roloffs were hypocritical considering that one of the admirable things the Roloffs had done with their television show fame was to promote the message that derogatory words towards minority groups are hurtful. Spiritswander and all that chose to comment have a first amendment right to express their opinion on such subjects without fear of retaliation.

The only legal argument that the Roloffs provided pertaining to the case, was that they felt that one anonymous poster used the same phrase regarding the ark that was used in a deposition of an Washington County Employee. Thus, the Roloffs were arguing that because they wanted to know if a Washington County employee had ever anonymously commented on the case, that they somehow needed to know the identity of myself, information about my email and the identity of everyone that has ever posted a comment in the 4 year history. Our very logical explanation to the Roloffs claim that a person commenting as "Brandon" had demonstrated "insider" knowledge of the case when he repeated the phrase "the ark could topple over" was that Brandon was simply repeating what was already in the article that he was commenting on. The article contained a public statement that was released by and clearly labelled as a statement from Washington County's communication department.


In his ruling, Judge Michael W. Mosman simply stated that "Based on a balancing of the value of anonymous online speech and a need for this discovery, John Doe's Motion to Quash 39, 54, which has now properly been filed with contact information, is GRANTED. The subpoena seeking information concerning Mr. Doe's blog is QUASHED."


Several people have been very interested in this issue beyond just the Roloff family VS Spiritswander because of the First Amendment rights that were at stake. So I'll use this item to walk people through the process now that the judge has rendered his decision (in our favor).


First, I have to say that is very satisfying to have emerged victorious. It feels a little bit like a David VS Goliath situation. The big celebrities in their million dollar home and fleet of vehicles trying to flex their power by abusing the system and were attempting to walk over the rights of regular everyday people. As time consuming as this whole process was, I think it does demonstrate that when someone attempts to bully you and strip you of your rights because they may have more money that you do and they may be a "celebrity" -- it is important to stand up for your rights (and the rights of others) and fight. And you can emerge victorious.


Having said that, I still think it's very unfortunate that so much time (of many people) and money (including taxpayer) was spent on this issue which we always felt was a clear abuse of the system on behalf of Matt and Amy Roloff. It's unfortunate that Matt and Amy Roloff spend so much time dedicated to such issues rather than focusing on things that are really important in life, but that was the Roloffs prerogative.

The judge reaching a verdict that we feel delivers justice was a community effort and I would like to take a moment to say some public "Thank you's".


First and foremost, I don't believe this outcome would have been possible without the help and assistance Spiritswander received from internet attorney Karl Kronenberger at KronenbergerRosenfeld, LLP. It seemed like a daunting task to be just a "regular person" with no legal counsel and all of a sudden be told that you have 21 days (which included the holidays) to file an official legal document (Motion to Quash) or else you basically forfeit your First Amendment rights, thus allowing someone to abuse the system and win simply because you can't or don't know how to defend yourself.


At the beginning of this process, I sought the advice of leading internet lawyer Karl Kronenberger. Kronenberger Rosenfeld specializes in the sometimes complicated area of Internet law. Karl Kronenberger has represented all sides of Internet Law cases and has extensive knowledge of the process and what it is necessary to reach the correct outcome of disputes involving Internet law issues.

Although the basis of the Motion to Quash and the Responses were composed by myself (with the invaluable input and effort of poster Rap541), a successful outcome would not have been possible without Karl Kronenberger, Leah Vulic and all at Kronenberger Rosenfeld. They helped guide me through the process and always kept me informed of the next step. If you have any legal issue involving Internet law, I would highly recommend seeking Karl Kronenberger as your attorney. I can't emphasize it enough, but Karl and his team are truly fantastic. Their communication and timely responses to ensure that all deadlines are met is second to none. Any charity donation that Spiritswander and my readers are able to make is due to Karl Kronenberger's generosity.

So I would like to issue a heartfelt public thank you to Internet attorney Karl Kronenberger, Leah Vulic and everyone at Kronenberger Rosenfeld Internet Law Attorneys.


A big thank you to Rap541. Of course, Rap541 is a frequent poster on our blog and a guest reviewer, but Rap541 really stepped up to help me compose the core of the original Motion to Quash. Rap, like me, does not have a law degree, but Rap541 helped take an E-book that was purchased regarding filing a Motion to Quash and did a great job in constructing it into a successful legal document pertaining to our case. Rap541 and I would also like to extend a quick thank you to Rap's friend Lorraine that has some legal experience and provided some answers to Rap throughout this process.

Thank you to all of our readers that offered various forms of support. So many people did whatever they could to help. It was very over-whelming and much appreciated. Some of our readers volunteered to make very generous donations to help support whatever costs were to be incurred from fighting the subpoena. Thank you. In due time, we will have a detailed item about the donations and discussion about the money raised. We might actually be able to make a substantial donation to 2 different charities and causes.


Thank you to all that did searching of your own in an attempt to find sites that would be of help. Your efforts were appreciated. A lot of people have asked about the steps involved and people who might find themselves in a similar situation might ask what to do in this situation? Some people suggested sites that specialize in the area of internet rights and freedoms. I do appreciate anyone who was trying to help and suggested some of those sites. The basic response was 'Get a lawyer and good luck'.

When I first contacted Karl Kronenberger who specializes in the area of internet law, he suggested one option was to purchase the following E-book regarding 'How to file a Motion To Quash a Subpoena' yourself.



I did purchase that and it was very helpful in composing the core of the Motion to Quash (again, a big thank you to Rap541 who helped relate it to our specific case) . I do have to be honest and say that it is difficult without a background in law to navigate through the entire court process in the proper manner as there are many different steps. Again, that's where Karl Kronenberger and Kronenberger Rosenfeld, LLP guidance and advice throughout this whole thing (which has taken over two months) was vital to our victory. So thank you so much to Karl for being committed to ensuring that the correct outcome was reached in our particular case.

Thanks to the people who offered support in emails, did research regarding this process that was very helpful and who helped me monitor the docket.

Thanks to the poster that discovered Matt's twitter post where he announced that the act of subpoenaing Google was "probably the funnest thing [Matt] has ever done in life. Matt had deleted the post from his Facebook page and the post had escaped notice from most, but one of our readers discovered that it was still publicly posted on Matt's twitter account (which at the time, he had set up to automatically display his Facebook posts -- Matt and his staff obviously didn't realize that when he deletes from Facebook, the Twitter post remains). Our reader discovered that tweet by Matt, passed it along and it became an important part of our argument that suggested strongly that Matt Roloff was intentionally abusing the subpoena process by playing games with the system.

Before I get to the actual court documents, I will quickly outline what was involved and how things proceeded.


  • On December 7th, I received a notice from Google Inc, stating that they had received a subpoena requesting all of my personal identifying information relating to my blog and my email address as well that of anyone that had ever submitted written material (including a comment) since the blog's inception 4 years ago. The subpoena request was made by Matt and Amy Roloff and their attorney. Google informed me they would comply with the subpoena and would hand over all that personal information to the Roloffs unless I filed a Motion to Quash with the court in Oregon by December 28th, 2011.


  • With the help that I referenced above, I did submit the Motion to Quash and the subsequent Declaration on December 23rd, 2011


  • Matt and Amy Roloff, through their attorney, exercised their right to oppose my Motion to Quash and did so on January 12th, 2012


  • I exercised my right to submit my Response to Plaintiffs Opposition of my Motion to Quash and did so.


  • The judge then granted me 14 days to re-file the Motion to Quash, this time using my real name and information instead of the anonymous "John Doe" -- yet it would be under seal and the content would be protected from the public (and from Matt and Amy Roloff and their attorney). The court received my re-submission on February 13th, 2012.


  • On February 15th, 2012, Judge Michael W. Mosman rendered the verdict:


    "Based on a balancing of the value of anonymous online speech and a need for this discovery, John Doe's Motion to Quash 39, 54, which has now properly been filed with contact information, is GRANTED. The subpoena seeking information concerning Mr. Doe's blog is QUASHED."




Below are all of the official court documents relating to this case. This is all public information that can be posted via what is known as "litigation privilege".


It is a lot of reading, but feel free to read it all if you're interested. I suspect the documents that will be of the most interest to people are the opposition to the Motion to Quash by Matt and Amy Roloff and my subsequent response to their opposition. Those documents demonstrate the level of focus and attention the Roloff family pay to the Spiritswander blog and all that comment on our site. Our response to their opposition gets into the specific details that have been discussed on the blog that were relevant to why the Motion to Quash should have been granted (which it now has been).

If you only want to read one of the documents, this is the one that gets into all the issues involved and details the history between the Roloff family and the Spiritswander Blog. The document is titled "Final John Doe's Reply to Plaintiffs' opp to Motion to Quash subpoena" :



With each document there is an accompanying "Declaration of" which supports each motion and contains the "exhibits" that were referenced in the documents.

[apparently some users browsing via Internet Explorer might have some trouble viewing these documents, but if you click on the actual link it should work for everyone including IE users.]


Motion to Quash Subpoena







Declaration of John Doe







Response to Motion to Quash.wpd Jan 12






Response Declaration of Ross Day in Response to Motion to Quash Jan 12


Final John Doe's Reply to Plaintiffs' Opp to Motion to Quash Subpoena







Final Decl of John Doe ISO Reply to Opposition to Motion to Quash Subpoena





Sunday, February 19, 2012

Little People, Big World / Roloff Family Special #4 - Guest Reviews By Kyle and Rap541

Here are our two guest reviews of tonight's episode of Little People, Big World. Thank you to both Kyle and Rap541 for taking the time to write and submit their reviews.



First up is Kyle -- Kyle was the only other person (besides Rap541) to take us up on our offer and write a review.



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Written by Kyle


It is amazing that in such a short amount of time that the Roloffs went from “wanting to sell the farm” just last year, to the extreme and exact opposite of wanting to triple its size.

I think it is a slap in the face to any loyal viewers to think we would have been so gullible to believe such hyperbole.

THE SHOW:

The show opens with Matt surveying his farm mentioning all of his completed projects and saying he’s been yearning to have that land next door for 20 years and now finally has his chance. The property is 80 acres so in total they’d have 109 acres. Matt reasons to Amy the price is “half off and a fire sale.” Amy is actually the sound of reason saying they don’t need more land and Matt at that moment doesn’t give any reasoning as to why they do. I completely agree with Amy on the topic.

Amy mentions it’s also been 20 years that she’s wanted to do her own cookbook. The entire show she is cooking and testing out her recipes.

Zach visits Jeremy in Santa Barbara because he is also considering moving out and wants to see what it’s all about. Jeremy doesn’t really show off anything more than the living room and makes the comment that people love his apartment commenting “am I in a movie?” with their mouths agape. The apartment is nothing special and with that comment, no wonder Jeremy has such a big head when people treat him like he’s an idol to worship.

But he does show Zach where “every night we’re sitting here and reading.” Then he mentions that he reads a lot, like right away. Anyone else think that ‘reading’ must be code for drinking or partying or something!? It was just something about they way he said it like when people lie but repeat themselves frantically to make it sound more credible and believable. Why else would he mention it like that so often? I’m sure he does do some reading but yeah make sure to mention it multiple time so that we believe what with the beach nearby, the fantastic weather everyday and the coeds with nothing else to do except “focus” on their incredibly demanding liberal arts educations that you are indoors at night, reading.

Zach mentions that Jeremy is really the first one of their friends who left home and is on his own and doing his own thing. Once again the idolization of Jeremy is in full swing!

There is absolutely no mention of Jeremy and his school, his classes, what he’s been doing at the for-profit school, how well he’s progressing as an artist; nothing.

Amy mentions that her cooking since the age of 12 has been just looking at magazine and cookbooks and just changing things to her or her family’s liking. Yeah, that kinda goes without saying. I see what you cook Amy is looks pretty standard all the time. She relates cooking as an LP to her way of showing people she can make something happen, so she throws a dinner party, solely for her friends, none of the family is present. Everyone claims the dish was perfect, because who really would bash a friend’s food with a camera stuck in their face?

Once again Matt and Amy butt heads about the farm expansion. Matt’s spiel is that it’s amazing property, connected to Roloff farms so the new land would be commercial and they could keep their home area residential. He’s mentioning pumpkin expansion, subleasing the land, maybe a charity garden for kids program for Amy’s charity, additional house for one of the kids. Amy does agree that the kids need to move on. (Obviously Zach since Jacob is still in high school and Molly is actively searching to leave to go to University)Amy is really worried about the added financial strain and claims it is a huge gamble. Matt is already emotionally committed and persists that she mulls it over.

Matt shows Zach the inside of the house on the farm expansion property. He harps on Zach about getting the house turning it into a bachelor pad with a bunch of his friends. Zach seems pretty stoked about the entire place. Matt thinks giving him a house will be the first step to his becoming independent?

For Amy’s book, the only people “remotely interested [is] a smaller publisher of local, regional” items which really shows there is not too much interest. Her proposal is weak and the publisher mentions many times that there is no guarantee it’ll get published. To me, she seemed honestly surprised that the publisher didn’t jump right in and sign her a deal. He appeared VERY hesitant about it. I personally never really thought of Amy’s cooking as healthy and just a love of cooking does not equal being good enough at it that people would be interested in a cookbook of ‘your’ recipes. She had a lot of work to upgrade her proposal.

Amy mentions that as an LP she has been rejected a lot. (Maybe this time if she was rejected it has nothing to do with being an LP and everything to do with being 1 out of 200 cookbooks put out this year and having nothing special to put in your book to make you stand out anyway) She fights through being scrutinized and judge everyday. Then she tears up and that scene had to have lasted 15 seconds, way too long and just made me feel uncomfortable.

Amy cooks some more with Zach, Molly and Jacob as her food testers. Jacob’s only line in the entire episode is “your food is disgusting.” The look on Amy’s face shows that he’s not joking and she can’t believe he just said that, especially on camera.

The owner of the next-door property shows Matt and Amy a barn, which I recognized as one Matt has recently put on his Facebook that he’s restored the foundation of. So no surprise there…they’ll buy the farm. Amy’s parents visit so now of course Matt will take them to see the property too. Amy’s dad takes Matt’s side; her mom sympathizes with Amy not needing to take on more debt and also calls it a gamble. The women are pretty logical about this deal.

Jeremy comes home to Oregon to spend time with family and his grandparents. It’s really shaping up to be a nice ol’ family dinner with cooking provided by Amy!

Jer reviews the house next door and says moving into that home would be like moving into the basement but it’s not really moving out. Jeremy mentions why pay rent if you just live down the street. Cut to the next scene where, unsurprisingly, now Zach no longer wants to move into the house, as it doesn’t really seem like moving out. He justifies it that Jeremy waiting for his perfect time to move out even if 21 seemed old to some people, so he will get his time to move out when it’s right too. Ok, so Zach will instead stay in his parents’ house for longer? I don’t really follow that logic…

Large national publisher has interest in her book. Amy envisions the book appealing to someone intimidated by cooking, stay at home moms, working moms, quick, healthy recipes. Of course the meeting is on camera and the publisher takes on her book, no surprise. They show a quick view of “Short and Sweet.” I’m hoping that’s just a first printout cause it looked like a bunch of printer paper bound with a plastic coil.

Matt’s biggest fear is boredom, “can’t turn off the motor.” He wants to buy the farm because ‘it’s the right thing to do.” Which is a good enough reason for me, so sign me up! It doesn’t matter if it’ll put the family in financial strain for the rest of their lives! He wants Amy’s approval so she’s invested emotionally too. He really throws it all on Amy and I think that’s unfair.

While waiting at the bank for Matt, Amy mentions to the realtor how Matt forces and pushes people until you can’t take anymore and they both agree Matt will be like that until the day he dies. Sounds swell, Matt gets anything he wants. They sign for the property Amy’s obviously not in any high spirits about it and I really appreciate the fact that she doesn’t try to put on a face to say otherwise.

Surprise, now Matt’s family also then shows up so now they can all celebrate the cookbook and farm expansion! Like everything Amy has ever cooked, the meal at this dinner looks pretty standard with just meat, mashed potatoes, salad and bread. Which is a relevant point seeing as for an episode that surrounded around a cookbook, I would’ve expected something more creative.

For the fourth (and final?) special I found it without created drama or staged events and races, which I appreciate, but as the saying goes “always leave them wanting more.” Frankly, as a longtime viewer I’ve had my fill. I didn’t need an entire hour to see Amy get a cookbook made and Matt to buy a farm. Not DO anything with it, but just to buy it. With the TV executives no doubt cringing at past specials’ 1.2 ratings (even if Matt tries desperately to put a positive spin on a 1.2), the public is clearly no longer interested seeing what the Roloffs are up to. Please accept this.


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Next up is Rap541


Written by Rap541





Matt and Amy debate whether he is dying early. They talk about the property. Matt wants to buy property. Matt demands Amy be emotionally supportive.

Oh wait - this is actually the first special, not the fourth. I flip back to Bob’s Burgers on Fox. Lil FYI, the new episode is BADLY telegraphed! I mean… maybe running the episodes back to back wasn’t wise.

I switch back to Fox. You know… I have many adult friends who have never lived or been alive in a world where The Simpsons wasn’t on Sunday night. Also The Simpsons actually addressed the idea of accepting little people. The Simpsons aired their 500th episode tonight. It was funny. At least I have that.

I really can’t sit through the rerun episodes at this point. They were dull to begin with. Oh! Celebrity Apprentice is on. OH! George Takei - someone who was imprisoned in a *concentration camp* despite being *an American Citizen* is on Celebrity Apprentice. Now there’s some hard core suffering and hardship and getting past a load of barriers. Here’s a guy who was torn from his home and locked up in a hell hole for no other reason than his race who made a successful life for himself. Oh and look, Clay Aiken! Actually, with all the reality whores on this show, I am a lil shocked Matt isn’t here. Or Amy. Hmm I wonder if they’ll be suing soon?

George Takei smack Paul Teutal Sr. down after being called meek. “I was raised in an internment camp, bitch,”

So we start the new episode with Matt praising himself for completing his dream. Yeah, everything always comes up roses for Matt, right Matt? Now he wants the property next door. Meanwhile Amy chops stuff and hay bales how she wants to write a cookbook as she appears to make …. Sloppy joes?

Matt wants to triple the size of the farm, go balls to the wall and triple the size of the farm and the only thing standing in his way? His wife! I just knew it was gonna be Amy’s fault.

Matt notes that his neighbor is selling the land half priced, extremely low pricing… I wonder why what with the economy. He plies Amy with the idea of moving her gazebo - she is horrified at the idea of transplanting her memories. He plies her with the idea of a blueberry farm. She seems annoyed and overtalks about how maybe Matt should be thinking of slowing down.

Zach is “thinking of moving away” and is visiting Jeremy in Santa Barbara. Again, jusst pointing out that this was filmed essentially concurrent with Jeremy going to school in late August so Jeremy has been away from home for like.. A month. Jeremy is in a clearly different apartment with roommates. What happened to the little studio? They are all about how they have leather couches. Jeremy apparently plays ball and does homework. Zach lies and says Jeremy is the first of the friends to go away to school. This isn’t true at all. Scott, Jeremy’s rival, actually went to OSU and is a junior. Is that in a different state? No. Did Scott move out of his parent’s house for school? Yes. I know Jeremy is a precious little hot house flower who will wilt without constant praise but do we need to lie? The kitchen is filthy. Jeremy and Zach discuss how great the interior decorating is. I assume this discussion and Jeremy’s pink t-shirt are part of his corruption

Meanwhile back at the farm, Amy reads a recipe while making chili. Oh please, even I can make chili without a recipe. Amy babbles about the cook book for a bit and how as a little person its important. Really, cooking is an lp issue? Really?

Amy is having friends over to test her recipes. So we have Lisa and Paula and Amy repeatedly running back and forth to the door. Amy explains what cornbread is and demands feedback and notes how she had to learn to cook as a teenager because her mom got a job. Everyone acts like this is a huge incredible thing. Everyone kisses her ass over the chili. Would anyone like my recipe? It’s pretty good and I won’t charge you.

Meanwhile Matt and Amy get snitty with each other over the property. Matt hay bales how this has been his dream to buy the property but if Amy isn’t on board, he won’t do it! Kinda like how if Amy said “kill it” he would never put the ark on the property and she said kill it and the ark never happened. Except you know, Matt doesn’t respect Amy at all or really consider her a financial partner, the whole scene is Matt basically pretending to ask and it shows. Amy basically says “what do you want me to say” and notes it will make them cash poor. It’s a surprisingly hostile talk and Amy notes she doesn’t want to spend the next 25 years toiling in the dirt. It’s very clear that Amy isn’t really being asked, that Matt has already made the decision.

Now Matt plays the “the kids can live there” card. Amy is actually against buying the kids a house. If I didn’t know better, I’d think she might win.

Zach and Jeremy ride around in a van solving mysteries. Jeremy goes on about how he’s all independent now. Paying your own bills, Jer? No, I didn’t think so. Did mom and day pay to break the lease so you could move in with friends? They hike about and the roomie shows Zach how to rock climb. There’s some scenery shots.

Amy continues harping on the cook book. Matt basically mocks it and tries to pronounce quinoa and does it badly. Amy harps on healthy cooking while Matt puts his hands over everything, slaps some lunchmeat into Amy’s chopped ingredients and gobbles it down. I again am reminded why I would always be leery of a meal cooked in this home.

Matt takes Zach over to the new house and bribes Zach with the idea of being a landlord and subletting to his friends. Matt notes how all Zach’s friends can live with him and how it’s a prod to move him out. Matt fake shouts “it’s a bachelor pad!”. Yeah, providing Zach a ready made crash pad is so gonna encourage him to move. Matt? Try making things *less* comfortable, not MORE comfortable.

Amy has a local small publisher … yeah I kinda think it’s a self publishing place. Amy notes how she’s always been rejected entirely because she’s a little person. Amy, grow up please. Your cook book isn’t being rejected because you’re LP. It’s because I can get a zillion cook books for free on Amazon. The market is saturated. It’s even saturated for reality whores like yourself. Everyone with a reality show thinks they can write a book and yes Amy, the books are usually on cooking. Or parenting.

Amy meets Rick the publisher. Rick asks why she wants to write a cook book. They nitter on about how Amy likes cooking and Amy notes how special the family eating together is. Rick isn’t especially positive about it but he’s realistic. And he’s reasonably positive. This is dull.

Back to Matt waxing how he needs to buy the property. There’s some talk of hobos. Amy bitches to the camera how she’s not actually being asked. The guy on the farm plans to stay on to farm the blueberries Matt is planning. Apparently it was a popular spot for hoboes. This is also dull.

Amy continues testing her recipes. Molly says it good. Jake notes her food is disgusting. Zach squats on a stool and shoves it in his mouth and mutters “its good” with captioning. Wasn’t Amy just going on about the family eating together and yet here we see a very typical on camera meal, three different kids eating at different times in different places and no dad in sight. Also, Zach grunting and squatting and shoveling food in his mouth is one of those behaviors that a parent should really correct.

So suddenly Amy’s parents pop in. I like Gordon. He kids Jake about his height. Gordon and Zach chat and clearly Zach has entered the circle of judgment. Gordon notes that women are expensive to maintain and Zach needs to get a job soon or marry rich. Granpa Gordon is fun. He asks where the airbags are on the mule. Matt notes in the voice over that he’s gonna convince Gordon to convince Amy. I kinda suspect the property was already purchased at that point. Gordon hay bales that its nice property and needs proper planning. Matt clearly is talking about owning the 109 acres already. And Amy’s parents are referring to it as a done deal. Amy’s mom is NOT happy. Also the free way Matt is driving over with camera crews is the giant clue that the property is already bought - that’s if Pop and Honey turning up at the end yet at the same time Gordon and Amy’s mom are visiting isn’t also a GIANT clue that the property was already purchased.

Jeremy wanders in to see the grandparents and also wants about 7500 dollars in equipment handed to him. Yeah yer independent, aren’t you? What I especially notice is that no one is suggesting Mr. Jeremy The Man actually buy his phone, camera, and software for school out of his own money. Zach shows Jeremy the house. Jeremy seems to dislike the idea. He notes that Zach might as well live at home for free. Nice attitude.

Meanwhile Amy is selling her cookbook. Or at least having a meeting. She goes on and on about how she’s nervous and afraid. Amy, just publish on Amazon.

Amy meets people from Graphic Arts Books. Again, a lot of nittering about cooking. She seems to think it’s a beginner’s cook book. They think its gonna go national! Amy seems pleased and proud.

Back on the farm, Matt is still pretending the property hasn’t been bought. He’s still in theory asking her permission the night before the appointment to sign the paper work to buy the property so basically he’s going to do it regardless. Now this is actually a fairly serious talk they are having and Matt plays the guilt card. Basically he’s telling her he’s going to the bank to buy the property regardless and just wants her to show up to support him. Because it’s always about Matt. Always.

Amy goes to the realtor and notes how pushy and aggressive Matt is. And yes this is clearly not a situation where Amy realistically can say no. When you’re down to the signing point, there’s not much backing out. Amy comes off pissed, Matt is putting on his “gooblygoo” persona, the silly dwarf.

Amy finally signs. Amy notes how they need to be more supportive. Amy takes a coffee mug from the bank.

Oh Ron and Peggy pop in. Amy stirs green beans. Matt notes how his plan is for the kids to never leave. The meal seems to be green beans, mashed potatoes, a roast, and bagged salad. Wow this was… dumb? An ad for Amy’s book that still isn’t out?

Funny how yet again everything works out perfectly for Matt. Hmm.


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Next item: Spiritswander Defeats Matt and Amy Roloff's Subpoena
http://spiritswander.blogspot.com/2010/02/spiritswander-blog-defeats-matt-and-amy.html

Tuesday, February 14, 2012

Amy Roloff Comments On Roloff Reaction To Rosie O'Donnell Controversy

Amy Roloff responded to post on her Facebook Fanpage that referenced some of the points that several of our readers have been making regarding the Rosie O'Donnell controversy and the Roloffs reaction to them.

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http://www.facebook.com/pages/Amy-J-Roloff-Fanpage/191460144200528

Dustin Fraser: Amy, has Chris Cardamone asked you to explain how you were personally hurt by Rosie's (a person that you do not know personally) comments? Because I recall Chris C. asking everyone who was upset by Jeremy's slur words to explain how they were personally hurt? Your response to anyone that gets offended by things your family says or does is "Do I know you? You are judging a person you don't know!" Why isn't that your response to the Rosie thing? Btw, I don't support what Rosie said, but I think you should be consistent.

Amy J. Roloff Fanpage: Dustin I believe we are consistent. But that will be relevant to each individual. I can not hold you to assume what Chris C said to come from any of us or speak for us. Rosie used a public platform and different than when one may have assumed was a private outlet with 'friends'. Though naive it was as he thought. The difference here is you harbor what ever may have been said by a 16-17 yr. old boy for years where I can move on from the incident with Rosie within days. There have been some really good input from other LP's that hopefully Rosie will take to heart. . She has every right to her personal opinion about LP but just not the appropriate way to express it publicly when it did affect me and I'm sure many other LP and parents of LPs and public opinion about LP's. But FB is not a forum for this type of subject. Perhaps Matt and/or I may have an opportunity to express ourselves in a positive way another time. Thanks.

Amy J. Roloff Fanpage: Oh, and I'm sure I know where my comment will end up.

Dustin Fraser: Amy, I disagree. If no one had found out about Jeremy's offensive words, it wouldn't have made it any more acceptable. It would have meant you guys would have been able to be fake. What you were doing privately would have been drastically opposite to what you present publicly.

People did find out. You reacted by not apologizing to people that were offended. You react by saying the offended have no right to judge people they only know from tv and don't know personally.

But a whole lot of people including you and Matt are judging Rosie for her words that offended you.

If it came out tomorrow that Rosie was using the "M" word to friends online, I really doubt that you wouldn't be critical of her.

If Rosie had expressed her "Little Person Phobia" on a private twitter, it still would have been wrong.

It's the act and behavior that is wrong, not whether people get caught or not.

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My personal opinion and things that I would add to that conversation would be:

A) Jeremy never apologized or admitted wrong doing. Personally, I think part of the issue is that you can't expect people to 'get over' something if the person has never apologized or acknowledged that what they did was wrong.

B) The Roloffs have often used the "Do you know us? You can't judge people you don't know personally" response for many different issues, however, Amy did use it for more than just Jeremy's language scandal. Amy trotted out the 'Do you know us personally? No, so you can't judge us' retort in response to people that were critical of Jeremy Roloff and Mueller for tossing the black and white Roloff cat into the air.

C) If Facebook is not the place to discuss the Rosie O'Donnell LP Phobia controversy; why have both Matt and Amy discussed it on their Facebook Fanpages? Why haven't Matt or Amy directed their fans to stop talking about it and deleted fan comments as they have when people have discussed other topics that Matt or Amy have deemed inappropriate for their Fanpages?

Sunday, February 12, 2012

Rosie O'donnell's Little People Phobia

We thought we would pass this along and make a separate item for this because it's starting to generate discussion. Everyone is starting to weigh in on it.

It centers around Rosie O'Donnell's interview with fellow talk show host -- Chelsea Handler. During the interview they discuss Rosie's fear of Little People.


Several LP are offering to appear on Rosie's show and help her overcome her fear.

Matt Roloff posted "Our work here on Earth.....is never done. lol" It was followed by hundreds of angry comments from Matt's fans -- some of which called Rosie names like "fat lesbian!".

Matt then posted again about Rosie on his Facebook Fan Page:

Matt Roloff: "All day today.. I just wanted to give Rosie a big hug! ...well i guess it would be a little hug coming from me... I honestly and sincerely want her to feel better about little people. Let's not be be angry... But let's graciously endeavor to help her overcome her fears. I know I can use loving help to overcome my fears and phobias."

Here is a sampling of some of the comments on Matt's Fan Page about Rosie. A couple of people were upset at Matt for allowing the insults towards Rosie. A few weeks ago after Matt endorsed a Republican politician and some had insulted him, Matt said he would not tolerate insults, insults about the politician that Matt was campaigning for were deleted and the person make them were banned . These are some of the comments on Matt's page from his fans about Rosie:

Cindy: she's just plain WORTHLESS!!!....push her off a cliff!!

Michelle: Yeah, well Rosie scares me! What a stupid thing for her to say.

Matt S: Ignore both those pigs!

John: Do you have a fear of chubby half-talented talkshow hosts?

Hollyanne: dumb. - she should be focusing on her obesity.

Kay: Rosie is a nasty, fat pig!

Melanie: What an idiot.

Elaine: Don't really know what to say about this but Rosie is an ___hole, fill in the blanks! I think Chelsey actually came off better then she normally does. Yes there is alot of work to do but I wouldnt worry about Rosie, she's not worth the effort!

Jackie: Rosie O'Donnell is a freak!

Ray: Rosie is a cow

Marie: Quite honestly Matt. I can't believe you are allowing the hate on here. It's beyond me how anyone would think the right thing to do here is say such nasty things, and I can't believe Matt that you are a party to it. Seems you are just as bad as anything that was said on that tape!


Amy Roloff has also been posting about it:

Amy Roloff: "matt and i have different thoughts on this, but WE DO believe on one thing 'We Still Have More Work To Do". Re: Rosie ODonnell Chelsea interview on Rosie's show, You Tube"

Jen Montzingo wrote an open letter to Rosie O'Donnell and Chelsea Handler on her blog that the LPA President, Gary Arnold, is sharing around:

http://hopesprouts.wordpress.com/2012/02/10/dearest-darlingest-ro-chels/

Dearest darlingest Rosie and Chelsea,

First of all, I genuinely enjoy both of your work. From what I know, you are raw, real and funny as hell! I think we would have great talks over dinner. I think you’re both worldly and whip-smart. I can imagine learning a ton from the both of you. But I don’t genuinely know you or the feelings you have behind your probably-not-the-smartest comments you made on Rosie’s show. I’m hoping the close-mindedness of your comments will actually spur change in a positive way.

I’m not so hurt by what you said, partly because I’m used to it. I’ve experienced it first hand. It’s more painful coming from people I actually know and opportunities actually lost because of ignorance. A lot of people think the same thing, only most people don’t voice it or don’t have a public platform from which to speak. I really want to change your mind, but I don’t think this can be done through screaming. I think the only way to change your mind is for you to get to know me, or someone in my community, someone who is educated, passionate and fully alive.

I’ve lived in Hollywood for 3 years now. I’ve seen a lot. I am a teacher and an actress. A lot of people out there have the exact same prejudices. Nothing really surprises me in humanity in general. Let’s hope that by you voicing your thoughts so publicly, that we can use your platform to make a difference, to really have a discussion that brings light and changes minds. Vilifying either of you won’t really do that.

Chelsea– us LP’s, well I can only speak for myself, we don’t need to be rescued by you. I get how you feel about Chuy. He seems to have had a pretty painful life. But you’re kind of perpetuating the problem. We just want to be equal in society, we don’t want to be fetishes. Not all of us work in the porn industry and need to be rescued. A lot of us are pretty darn normal.

“I want to tackle them.”
“Who else is going to give that guy of job? Someone has to rescue him. There’s not a lot of opportunities for that kind of people, they need our help.”
And Rosie–thanks for your honesty but get to know me so you won’t be afraid. We’re pretty freakin’ normal, well most of us, and yeah- don’t be scared. Here’s where people get angry. You’re a staunch advocate for equal rights in the LGBT community. If you’re going to stand for the marginalized, you need to stand for all the marginalized. If I campaign for No H8, I’d really like you to do the same. As they say, injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.

“No that would be child abuse, I would never do that.”
“I have so many feelings, I can’t just act normal.”
Little People are as varied as black people, fat people, gay people, etc. Please, educate yourselves so you aren’t ignorant. A lot of my LP acquaintances and friends want to vilify you both. I just think you need some education, you need some healing. We’re all a little bit broken. So let’s do dinner and meet somewhere in the middle.

C’mon ladies, let’s just talk.

XOXO,
Jen

P.S. I’ve read all of your books, ladies!
P.P.S. Ro, I like your show’s new 1-on-1 format MUCH better!
P.P.P.S. After Lately is amazeballs!

A fan posted Jen Montzingo's letter to Rosie and Chelsea, on Amy's Facebook Fan Page:

Megan Tolliver: Amy, I thought I would share the link that was posted on Gary Arnold's FB page. I was angry about the Rosie/Chelsea thing, then I read this. I feel much better now...after ranting on Rosie's FB and twitter page, and sending 2 emails through her site ;) http://hopesprouts.wordpress.com/2012/02/10/dearest-darlingest-ro-chels/ "

Amy Roloff: "I'm glad there are a number of other LP's referencing their own thought on this subject in a positive way. It would have been more confirming to also mention their statement the number of shows LP's have done to positively change attitudes and perceptions of LP's. Yes, I include LPBW in this. Like I had mentioned before, there is more positive work to be done."


Others have made You Tube videos directed at Rosie.




For the record, Matt and Amy Roloff appeared on Chelsea Handler's talk show in April of 2010. Chelsea introduced them as "Little nuggets". She asked them if they minded her calling them nuggets? Amy said she will be a little nugget. Later in the interview Matt said they met at a "Little Nugget" convention.


Rosie O'Donnell responded to several different people on twitter:


Rosie O'Donnell @Rosie
@danell_allen - he is beautiful - and not scary - my "fear" is about how awkward i get - about my reaction - hard 2 explain in a tweet

Rosie O'Donnell @Rosie
@OneloveSuzyQz - I am truly sorry it hurt u - what I was trying to say - was my shame at how badly I feel about my awkwardness -

Rosie O'Donnell @Rosie
@jneclay @Lizzard89 - i see y they r hurt - listen to what i am saying - it was about feeling shitty that i feel this way

Rosie O'Donnell @Rosie
@theteneyckes - yes - u r angry that I admitted a shameful feeling I am not proud of ...

Rosie O'Donnell @Rosie
@bobbischedel - I have apologized-scroll down -

Rosie O'Donnell @Rosie Close
@bobbischedel - I apologize to all LP - spread it around

Kristie Morton @KristieMorton2
@Rosie this is not heartfelt you need to make a better effort at this.

Rosie O'Donnell @Rosie
@KristieMorton2 - please ... That's it

Rosie O'Donnell @Rosie
@DreamLeaM - yes - I am done responding

Val Williamson @youareapiratexD
@Rosie I'm the daughter of two little people, what you said is wrong on so many levels. Educate yourself before you talk.

Rosie O'Donnell @Rosie
@youareapiratexD - val - i meant no ill will - u believe that or u do not - i am sorry u were hurt -

Rosie O'Donnell @Rosie
what to do - say - will some be offended - should we edit it out - yes- no -why do I feel uncomfortable - should I feel bad 4 feeling bad?

Saturday, February 11, 2012

Fourth Little People, Big World / Roloff Family Special To Air Feb 19 - Preview

The fourth and final Little People, Big World special will be televised on TLC Sunday February 19th at 8pm. For those who missed the 3 previous specials and were inquiring, they will be shown again on TLC at 5pm, 6pm and 7pm on the same night. TLC and the Roloffs agreed upon 4 "update" specials last spring/summer after the series was cancelled by TLC in late 2010.

TLC has released the preview for the 4th special on their website.


Little People, Big World - Battle For The Farm - Fourth Special

Matt's dream of buying the neighboring property and tripling the size of Roloff Farm threatens to drive a wedge between he and Amy. When the State shuts down one of his businesses, Matt finds himself in over his head and on the edge of bankruptcy.

Followers of the Roloffs (mostly Matt) online postings will notice that the preview (which during the regular series was notorious for being misleading) suggests something totally different than what Matt has been posting online for the last year.

The preview states that the Roloffs were on the edge of bankruptcy. Matt spent most of 2011 posting on his Facebook Fan Page about how wildly lucrative the "dirt deal" (Intel paid the Roloffs to use Matt's land as a dumping ground). In October, Matt posted about another "successful" pumpkin season. Most recently, Matt posted about how the Roloffs had entered the Christmas tree business and how successful that was also.

The 4th special will air Feb 19th at 8pm on TLC.

If you wish to write a review, email spiritswander@gmail.com .
We have always extended invitations to anyone who is interested in writing a review/recap of LPBW. Rap541 graciously volunteers their own time in writing the reviews. A couple of people complain that Rap's review isn't to their liking, yet were unwilling to submit their own review. So this is another open invitation to write reviews.

Thursday, February 9, 2012

Jeremy Roloff's Best Friend Jacob Mueller is 21

We thought we should pass this along for the benefit of our readers and in the name of accuracy in the future because his age is often referenced; Feb 9th, 2012 is Jacob Mueller's 21st birthday.

"Mueller" is of course Jeremy's best friend who was regularly seen on Little People, Big World.

The most recent thing involving Mueller that drew some attention was a video last summer that featured Mueller, another Roloff friend named Christian and two girls from France drinking Jack Daniels in the Roloffs garage.

If you're unfamiliar with Mueller, you can read our piece on Mueller from last year:


Mueller has been involved in nearly every activity/event that has resulted in controversy with Jeremy (cruel fan insults, many of the slur comments, the drinking stories and the cat tossing, etc). Matt and Amy have stated that they consider Mueller to be a "great" person and are happy their kids are such good friends with him. Jacob Roloff is said to idolize Mueller. The amount of time Mueller and Jeremy spend together has generated discussion over the years as Mueller often accompanies Jeremy on Roloff family trips.

For the record, we are told by friends that Jeremy and Mueller feel that they are unfairly scrutinized simply because other people don't understand the depth of their friendship (aka. people are jealous that they don't have a best friend that they are as close to as Jeremy and Mueller are to each other).

Friday, February 3, 2012

Jeremy Roloff's Favorite Pastor - John Mark Comer - Releases Book "My Name Is Hope"

As our frequent readers know, one of the recurring topics on our site as we report on public figures -- the Roloff family, is that of the Solid Rock Church and the lead pastor John Mark Comer. That is the church in Portland that all of the Roloffs have attended, but Jeremy is especially enthusiastic about the church and the lead pastor John Mark Comer. Jeremy's girlfriend, Audrey, also lists John Mark Comer as one of her idols and inspirations.

Solid Rock is a very conservative church (something that John Mark Comer has said in his sermons by referring to other churches in Portland that are "a lot more liberal than we are") that has been the cause of passionate debates on our site due to Solid Rock's and John Mark Comer's stance about a woman's role in society and in marriage and the sermons taught about gay people - John Mark Comer has described gay people as perverted, broken and that they need to pray to Jesus to be cured of their "gayness". As it relates to the Roloffs, this issue is a hot button topic for Roloff followers and LPBW fans due to the Roloffs role as Diversity advocates.

Matt and particularly Amy, have gotten paid by diversity groups to spread the message of equality and how members of minority groups should accept their own differences and to accept the differences of others. That message was also used by TLC to promote LPBW over the years. Many believe that by supporting Solid Rock the Roloffs are hypocrites since they have collected money for being portrayed as Diversity advocates when privately, they support agendas that work against what they've been paid to speak about.




It ignites fiery debates about what the Roloffs themselves believe. Matt and Amy Roloff do not give direct answers about the issue and Jeremy does not speak for himself.

I think it's fair to say that most people feel Jeremy echos John Mark's sentiments through his enthusiastic support and the fact that the majority of Jeremy's friends are rather upfront that they share John Mark Comer's sentiments on gay people needing to pray to be cured. Although, I don't think there will be a definitive conclusion on that subject until which time Jeremy takes a stand and decides to speak for himself. Some Roloff family friends such as former "Little People, Big World" producer and close Roloff friend Chris Cardamone, tell people to ask Jeremy himself for his own opinion, but that's kind of a useless suggestion since Jeremy does not speak to "fans" (for the most part) and certainly does not speak to people about a subject like that.

For the record, close friends of Jeremy state that he does echo John Mark Comer's sentiments, but they take issue with Jeremy being described as a "bigot" or "hateful" towards gay people. They say Jeremy doesn't object to being in the presence of gay people and will speak to gay people, but he does not "approve" of gay people for the Biblical reasons that John Mark has discussed about. Jeremy's friends take issue with Jeremy being called a hypocrite for being "pro-dwarf" but "anti-gay". They don't think it's the same thing because in their opinion Jeremy's family members were born with dwarfism and they don't think gay people were born that way. So they object to the word hypocrite being used to describe Jeremy and the Roloffs as a whole.

However, other posters to our site have pointed out that John Mark Comer has also spoken how drunkards -- people that go out on a Friday night to get a "buzz" are sinners and will not enter the Kingdom of God unless they seek Jesus' forgiveness. One of Jeremy's favorite sayings is "A church is not a museum for saints, it is a hospital for sinners". Our guest reviewer and frequent commentator Rap541 has described that as the "Whoopsie! Sorry Jesus" syndrome (meaning that Jesus followers don't need to have any accountabilty for their actions - they just say "Whoopsie! Sorry Jesus" and then "sin" again tomorrow, followed by another "Whoopsie! Sorry Jesus"). But some have pointed out since it's widely known that Jeremy obviously does not follow John Mark's sentiments about drinking or getting drunk as being a sin, that people shouldn't assume that Jeremy also believes what John Mark Comer preaches about gay people needing to "pray the gay away".

So anyhow, John Mark Comer is often discussed on our site mainly due to Jeremy's enthusiasm for him (Molly has also went to Solid Rock events with Jeremy and his friends). In the name of fairness, because JMC is discussed, some of Jeremy's fellow Solid Rock church goers wanted to pass along news that John Mark Comer has authored a book about Anxiety and Depression and healing through Jesus that is now available for sale at Amazon.com. Friends have told us that Jeremy is very excited about the book and Jacob Mueller (Jeremy's best friend, of course) has already read and highly recommends the book.

Here is a description of John Mark Comer's book, entitled "My Name Is Hope"


"For years, John Mark Comer thought he was the only man on the planet who struggled with anxiety and depression. He was dead wrong.

Staggering numbers of modern Americans fight anxiety and depression on a daily basis. In 2010, there were 253 million prescriptions for antidepressants in the U.S. alone. That's in a nation of 311 million people. And the battle is nothing new. My Name is Hope is the story of one follower of Jesus who went through the horrors of anxiety and depression and came out the other side. It is his ruthlessly authentic and scripturally authoritative account of prophets and poets, mothers and fathers, and even a Messiah who all came up against anxiety and depression.

"With obvious relevance and prophetic resonance," My Name is Hope "speaks needed truth into the over-stressed, over-medicated reality of our lives and culture. It is a book that will awaken and guide many towards a return home to the hope that is ours in Jesus."

There is also a website for John Mark Comer's book.



My Name is Hope // Part 1 from Mark Graybill on Vimeo.