Sunday, February 12, 2012

Rosie O'donnell's Little People Phobia

We thought we would pass this along and make a separate item for this because it's starting to generate discussion. Everyone is starting to weigh in on it.

It centers around Rosie O'Donnell's interview with fellow talk show host -- Chelsea Handler. During the interview they discuss Rosie's fear of Little People.

Several LP are offering to appear on Rosie's show and help her overcome her fear.

Matt Roloff posted "Our work here on never done. lol" It was followed by hundreds of angry comments from Matt's fans -- some of which called Rosie names like "fat lesbian!".

Matt then posted again about Rosie on his Facebook Fan Page:

Matt Roloff: "All day today.. I just wanted to give Rosie a big hug! ...well i guess it would be a little hug coming from me... I honestly and sincerely want her to feel better about little people. Let's not be be angry... But let's graciously endeavor to help her overcome her fears. I know I can use loving help to overcome my fears and phobias."

Here is a sampling of some of the comments on Matt's Fan Page about Rosie. A couple of people were upset at Matt for allowing the insults towards Rosie. A few weeks ago after Matt endorsed a Republican politician and some had insulted him, Matt said he would not tolerate insults, insults about the politician that Matt was campaigning for were deleted and the person make them were banned . These are some of the comments on Matt's page from his fans about Rosie:

Cindy: she's just plain WORTHLESS!!!....push her off a cliff!!

Michelle: Yeah, well Rosie scares me! What a stupid thing for her to say.

Matt S: Ignore both those pigs!

John: Do you have a fear of chubby half-talented talkshow hosts?

Hollyanne: dumb. - she should be focusing on her obesity.

Kay: Rosie is a nasty, fat pig!

Melanie: What an idiot.

Elaine: Don't really know what to say about this but Rosie is an ___hole, fill in the blanks! I think Chelsey actually came off better then she normally does. Yes there is alot of work to do but I wouldnt worry about Rosie, she's not worth the effort!

Jackie: Rosie O'Donnell is a freak!

Ray: Rosie is a cow

Marie: Quite honestly Matt. I can't believe you are allowing the hate on here. It's beyond me how anyone would think the right thing to do here is say such nasty things, and I can't believe Matt that you are a party to it. Seems you are just as bad as anything that was said on that tape!

Amy Roloff has also been posting about it:

Amy Roloff: "matt and i have different thoughts on this, but WE DO believe on one thing 'We Still Have More Work To Do". Re: Rosie ODonnell Chelsea interview on Rosie's show, You Tube"

Jen Montzingo wrote an open letter to Rosie O'Donnell and Chelsea Handler on her blog that the LPA President, Gary Arnold, is sharing around:

Dearest darlingest Rosie and Chelsea,

First of all, I genuinely enjoy both of your work. From what I know, you are raw, real and funny as hell! I think we would have great talks over dinner. I think you’re both worldly and whip-smart. I can imagine learning a ton from the both of you. But I don’t genuinely know you or the feelings you have behind your probably-not-the-smartest comments you made on Rosie’s show. I’m hoping the close-mindedness of your comments will actually spur change in a positive way.

I’m not so hurt by what you said, partly because I’m used to it. I’ve experienced it first hand. It’s more painful coming from people I actually know and opportunities actually lost because of ignorance. A lot of people think the same thing, only most people don’t voice it or don’t have a public platform from which to speak. I really want to change your mind, but I don’t think this can be done through screaming. I think the only way to change your mind is for you to get to know me, or someone in my community, someone who is educated, passionate and fully alive.

I’ve lived in Hollywood for 3 years now. I’ve seen a lot. I am a teacher and an actress. A lot of people out there have the exact same prejudices. Nothing really surprises me in humanity in general. Let’s hope that by you voicing your thoughts so publicly, that we can use your platform to make a difference, to really have a discussion that brings light and changes minds. Vilifying either of you won’t really do that.

Chelsea– us LP’s, well I can only speak for myself, we don’t need to be rescued by you. I get how you feel about Chuy. He seems to have had a pretty painful life. But you’re kind of perpetuating the problem. We just want to be equal in society, we don’t want to be fetishes. Not all of us work in the porn industry and need to be rescued. A lot of us are pretty darn normal.

“I want to tackle them.”
“Who else is going to give that guy of job? Someone has to rescue him. There’s not a lot of opportunities for that kind of people, they need our help.”
And Rosie–thanks for your honesty but get to know me so you won’t be afraid. We’re pretty freakin’ normal, well most of us, and yeah- don’t be scared. Here’s where people get angry. You’re a staunch advocate for equal rights in the LGBT community. If you’re going to stand for the marginalized, you need to stand for all the marginalized. If I campaign for No H8, I’d really like you to do the same. As they say, injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.

“No that would be child abuse, I would never do that.”
“I have so many feelings, I can’t just act normal.”
Little People are as varied as black people, fat people, gay people, etc. Please, educate yourselves so you aren’t ignorant. A lot of my LP acquaintances and friends want to vilify you both. I just think you need some education, you need some healing. We’re all a little bit broken. So let’s do dinner and meet somewhere in the middle.

C’mon ladies, let’s just talk.


P.S. I’ve read all of your books, ladies!
P.P.S. Ro, I like your show’s new 1-on-1 format MUCH better!
P.P.P.S. After Lately is amazeballs!

A fan posted Jen Montzingo's letter to Rosie and Chelsea, on Amy's Facebook Fan Page:

Megan Tolliver: Amy, I thought I would share the link that was posted on Gary Arnold's FB page. I was angry about the Rosie/Chelsea thing, then I read this. I feel much better now...after ranting on Rosie's FB and twitter page, and sending 2 emails through her site ;) "

Amy Roloff: "I'm glad there are a number of other LP's referencing their own thought on this subject in a positive way. It would have been more confirming to also mention their statement the number of shows LP's have done to positively change attitudes and perceptions of LP's. Yes, I include LPBW in this. Like I had mentioned before, there is more positive work to be done."

Others have made You Tube videos directed at Rosie.

For the record, Matt and Amy Roloff appeared on Chelsea Handler's talk show in April of 2010. Chelsea introduced them as "Little nuggets". She asked them if they minded her calling them nuggets? Amy said she will be a little nugget. Later in the interview Matt said they met at a "Little Nugget" convention.

Rosie O'Donnell responded to several different people on twitter:

Rosie O'Donnell @Rosie
@danell_allen - he is beautiful - and not scary - my "fear" is about how awkward i get - about my reaction - hard 2 explain in a tweet

Rosie O'Donnell @Rosie
@OneloveSuzyQz - I am truly sorry it hurt u - what I was trying to say - was my shame at how badly I feel about my awkwardness -

Rosie O'Donnell @Rosie
@jneclay @Lizzard89 - i see y they r hurt - listen to what i am saying - it was about feeling shitty that i feel this way

Rosie O'Donnell @Rosie
@theteneyckes - yes - u r angry that I admitted a shameful feeling I am not proud of ...

Rosie O'Donnell @Rosie
@bobbischedel - I have apologized-scroll down -

Rosie O'Donnell @Rosie Close
@bobbischedel - I apologize to all LP - spread it around

Kristie Morton @KristieMorton2
@Rosie this is not heartfelt you need to make a better effort at this.

Rosie O'Donnell @Rosie
@KristieMorton2 - please ... That's it

Rosie O'Donnell @Rosie
@DreamLeaM - yes - I am done responding

Val Williamson @youareapiratexD
@Rosie I'm the daughter of two little people, what you said is wrong on so many levels. Educate yourself before you talk.

Rosie O'Donnell @Rosie
@youareapiratexD - val - i meant no ill will - u believe that or u do not - i am sorry u were hurt -

Rosie O'Donnell @Rosie
what to do - say - will some be offended - should we edit it out - yes- no -why do I feel uncomfortable - should I feel bad 4 feeling bad?


Lynn C said...

I think it's very big of Matt to reach out to Rosie O'Donnell after her repulsive comments.

Rap541 said...

Has he reached out? He put a post up and allowed her to be ridiculed on his face book all day... He's allowed his fans to call her out as an idiot, an ass, a moron, stupid, a jerk... to where even some of the hard core facebookers were asking why it was being allowed.

Then, after what 12 hours of "bash Rosie", Matt decides he's all about forgiveness... but leaves up all the namecalling of course.

My opinion? Chelsea Handler was actually much more offensive. Rosie was honest and somewhat humble - she's afraid of little people and somewhat ashamed of having that fear. I didn't get any sense that she was "I hate little people and I am proud of it! They're God's little punchlines!".

I'm sure having Matt have his fans ridicule her *sounds like* a good idea... But basically Matt wants to call her out and also be deemed forgiving. If he was genuinely forgiving, he'd remove all the posts calling Rosie names.

And at least Rosie is willing to be honest and take risks in interviews. I'm still waiting to hear Matt give an actual answer to "do you believe homosexuals can be cured through prayer?"

David said...

Rap541, I see Matt as very transparent.

He is not, as Lynn says, "reaching out".

He is attempting to exploit a story for personal attention and publicity.

Matt would love to be on her show because it would make news. He could add "The Rosie Show" to his list of mainstream shows that they have appeared on whenever they are promoting themselves.

Christine said...

Um, Chelsea was more offensive.

Matt and Amy HAVE been on Chelsea's show. Did they use their appearance to "educate" her? Or were they her little punchlines and allowed her to call them "little nuggets"?

Answer = the latter.

Rap541 said...

David - it is classic Matt.

He points out what's offending him. He allows his fans to dogpile on the offender and kiss his ass and spew insults towards whoever Matt is offended with.

He leaves up ALL the hater remarks that are directed at the person who has offended him and once he's got his public licks in - then he's all about being gracious.

Funny how Matt wasn't man enough to stand up and FIGHT for his dignity when he was in person with Chelsea Handler being called a "little nugget" to his face. Funny that.

I'm sure someone will set us straight on why Matt was so offended by Rosie and Chelsea but when he was being called a little nugget to his face, he didn't correct Chelsea.

Justin said...

Wow, the hypocrisy astounds!

Rosie is ignorant.

But read some of the comments from Roloff fans.

Amy's post that she and Matt have different feelings on it suggests that she is very angry.

What a bunch of double standards. Amy's fans are saying they "blew up" Rosie's and Oprah's Facebook pages with angry comments and demanded an apology!

Look at what the Roloffs do when people demand apologies and write negatively about the offensive stuff the Roloffs do towards other minority groups?

Rap541 said...

Just a blast from the past.

Amy agrees to be called a nugget and Matt says he and Amy met at the nugget convention. This is how Matt and Amy have stood up for lp kind. By letting themselves be called little nuggets on tv in interviews.

Chris L said...

Rosie has clearly offended the LP community when she said she is ashamed for having a fear of Little People.

Obviously, what she should have said instead was that Little People have to pray to get taller or else they will burn in Hell for Eternity.

Austin said...

@David, agreed, but the Roloffs have NO room to point fingers about ignorance and offensive comments!

Natalie said...

Can you believe Amy? She wants all the responses to Rosie to be giving the Roloffs credit.

There are no words for the size of the Roloffs ego.

Dustin said...

Rosie is ignorant and Chelsea was offensive, but there's so many double standards.

Roloffs and their supporters have no room to talk about ignorance...or apologies.

Vic Rattlehead said...

What we have here is a failure to communicate.....between two washed up hasbeens.

In one corner we have: Rosie O'Donnell, whose biggest hit move came out 35 years ago and whose career has basically been on a slow slide into obscurity especially after her 9/11 truther conspiracy blather.

In the other corner we have: MatT Roloff, a never was delusional "reality tv star" who just doesn't know when to shut his trap and go away.

Neither of them is relevant anymore and it really doesn't matter anyways.

Leigh said...

Say what you will, but at least Rosie responded to people. That's more than you can say about the Roloffs when they do something offensive.

They resort to censorship, banning, vilifying the ones upset and no apologies.

Anonymous said...

I can now trully say that i have been converted into a loyal fan!

Kyle said...

Of course Matt would want to try and reach out to Rosie. It'd keep him in the public eye longer if he ever got on her show.

I personally was never comfortable with Chelsea calling them "little nuggets," even though it appears she truly does mean it affectionately. I still think it sounds derogatory.

And I do think Rosie was also being honest about feeling bad. She doesn't say she hates them, thinks they're gross/disgusting, just for non-LPs amusement or anything negative towards them. She is expressing something that makes her uncomfortable, because yeah it sounds like she just hasn't had the opportunity to ever encounter an LP. Like the quote "we only fear what we don't understand."

Solution: Rosie interviews some LPs and she'll see they're normal in almost every which way except stature and this'll all be done.

I understand people's outrage because everyone nowadays is quick to jump on ANYTHING that might be considered not PC, but don't think the villagers should get out their pitchforks and call for her blood.

Heather M said...

Well, I wouldn't go as far as to thank Rosie and Chelsea for the conversation, but I think the hate Rosie is getting a little much.

It's typical Matt that he allowed all those insults about a person he doesn't like but when people insult someone he likes such as Rob Cornellis or Herman Cain, Matt steps right in and bans negative comments.

I agree the Roloffs shouldn't be pointing fingers with all the offensive stuff they've done with their racist and homophobic slurs that they won't apologize for.

Timothy said...

Wow, so many thoughts on this.

The predominant one I'm having is Amy's arrogance. Her comment about Jen's blog? Give me a break Amy! The world does not revolve about the Roloffs. Amy can't simply agree with the person that Jen's letter was a good response. Amy needs to cite it as failing to mention the Roloffs.

The Roloffs are a classic example of fame going to someone's head.

Alicia said...

I think it's shocking that people feel that way in 2012.

Chelsea was way too condescending. They can't get a job otherwise? She felt sorry for them? She wants to bite her LP sidekick? It's child abuse?

Wow. Ignorant.

Allen said...

Most human beings are selfish.

Admit it, the Roloffs don't care about "diversity". They aren't diverse. They only care about themselves and what benefits their own group. The gay stuff proves that.

Rosie doesn't care about human rights and tolerance. She cares about gay rights and about women's rights because she is a lesbian.

The other little people that want to "help" educate Rosie want to use Rosie's fame to promote themselves and their own careers.

I guarantee that if Rosie was some no name twitterer or You Tube Vlogger, no little people would be kindly offering to help them overcome their phobia.

Everyone is selfish.

Rap541 said...

Kyle - I think I just see too many troubling flip flops from the Roloffs when it comes to taking a stand on how little people are treated. Like you, I don't think Chelsea calling them "little nuggets" was Chelsea trying to be mean, and while I found a lot of what Chelsea said to Rosie offensive, I don't think she was coming from a place of hate. Thats why when called "little nuggets" the Roloffs could have politely and easily made their point - that one problem little people face is the tendency for people to diminish them to the status of children with comments like that.

But Matt and Amy were guests and apparently didn't want to rock the boat.

Likewise the flip flip on the word midget. Matt calls himself that when he wants pity but apparently its very very wrong.

And as someone else has pointed out - Matt will step in like a *christian man* and manfully say "no insulting" when someone he likes or agrees with is insulted. But it becomes hard to take his offense over "I'm afraid of little people" when his rally people are calling the perpetrator a fat lesbian asshole.

And Amy needs to get over herself. The Rosie O'Donnel piece aired on the 8th and the Roloffs were NOT the first to outcry about it

Anonymous said...

I think Chelsea's comments were more repulsive, although I do not think she meant them that way than Rosie's. Rosie admitted to being ashamed of her discomfort. She was honest. Sometimes I have felt uncomfortable around a very differently abled person. But I try. I think Rosie is trying as well.

Abby said...

Rosie replied to that Chris' video. - beautiful chris - i would love to meet u - watch u play the piano - u r very gifted and i thank u for the video - xx

Abby said...

I think LP are beating a dead horse now. Unlike some people (ahem! Roloffs!) she has apologized multiple times. And she didn't even use the derogatory word!

This isn't Amy Roloff but geez.

@Rosie It was more important for you to talk about your problems than it was to consider the lives of LPs and their families and friends.

@amyisforawesome what can i tell u amy - i am human - i have apologized - enough

@rosie Well, I'll tell you. There are two wonderfully bright kids that I know that would be hurt horribly by your ignorance.

@amyisforawesome - i got it - understood - message delivered -

@Rosie Why did you feel it necessary in the first place?

@amyisforawesome - they were feelings i was ashamed of - not facts - not something i think is cool or great - what would u have me do now

@Rosie It was more important for you to talk about your problems than it was to consider the lives of LPs and their families and friends.

@amyisforawesome what can i tell u amy - i am human - i have apologized - enough

@Rosie I want you to know that and feel that as a Mother. Feel that and be ashamed.

@amyisforawesome - good god amy - I SAID I WAS ASHAMED - WTF - u want me to be u - have ur feelings - life experiences - do u host a show?

Abby said...

I think LP are beating a dead horse now. Unlike some people (ahem! Roloffs!) she has apologized multiple times. And she didn't even use the derogatory word!

This isn't Amy Roloff but geez.

@Rosie It was more important for you to talk about your problems than it was to consider the lives of LPs and their families and friends.

@amyisforawesome what can i tell u amy - i am human - i have apologized - enough

@rosie Well, I'll tell you. There are two wonderfully bright kids that I know that would be hurt horribly by your ignorance.

@amyisforawesome - i got it - understood - message delivered -

@Rosie Why did you feel it necessary in the first place?

@amyisforawesome - they were feelings i was ashamed of - not facts - not something i think is cool or great - what would u have me do now

@Rosie It was more important for you to talk about your problems than it was to consider the lives of LPs and their families and friends.

@amyisforawesome what can i tell u amy - i am human - i have apologized - enough

@Rosie I want you to know that and feel that as a Mother. Feel that and be ashamed.

@amyisforawesome - good god amy - I SAID I WAS ASHAMED - WTF - u want me to be u - have ur feelings - life experiences - do u host a show?

Podge/Rodge groupie said...

Why doesn't Rosie say exactly the same thing that Amy arrogantly pronounced when defending her cat tossing son to one lady who wrote in?
"Hmmmmmmm... Amy, do I know you?"

Christine said...

@Podge/Rodge groupie, I totally agree! The Roloffs, by their own words when they defend themselves, have no room to be angry/judge/criticize anyone else.

Do they know them personally? Are they God/why are they judging?

That's the kind of stuff the Roloffs say whenever they do something offensive and wrong.

Where is Molly to tell Matt and Amy how horrible they are to call themselves Christians, but here they are judging Rosie. They are not God!

Rap541 said...

Podge - I know your question is rhetorical but I am going to answer it in the hopes that Matt and Amy - who read this blog very closely - actually pay attention.

Rosie isn't turning criticism of her words and actions back onto her accusers because it would make her look even worse. That's the piece that Matt and Amy often miss - if you're going to play the "Who are you?? Who are *you* to judge *me*? You don't know me!" game - you actually have to come from a place of being right to make it work.

I am still waiting for Chris Cardamone to ask Amy and Matt, and all of their fans to explain exactly how Rosie's words hurt them. I am also waiting for Matt to stand up like a Christian man and tell his fans that namecalling Rosie is wrong. After all, words apparently do hurt when its little people hearing insults... Kinda curious why Matt is letting all the hatespeech stay up.

Well, not curious at all. When it affects Matt, Matt gives a crap. When Matt isn't the one being insulted, then "fat nasty pig" and "idiot" and "fat lesbian" and "asshole" and most importantly threats like "push her off a cliff" are just... Matt Roloff *approved*. Matt has publically stated that he has staff removing what he feels are offensive posts and threating Rosie O'Donnell and deriding her personal appearence and sexuality Is "NOT OFFENSIVE TO MATT ROLOFF". :)

Susan Coles said...

Abby, I disagree because I think when a celebrity does something offensive, it is NOT up to them to say "It's over, move on."

Rosie is ahead of the Roloffs because at least she acknowledged it, apologized, and discussed it before saying "it's done", but when you offend people, it's not up to the offender to declare that it's over and people need to stop being angry.

Susan Coles said...

"I am still waiting for Chris Cardamone to ask Amy and Matt, and all of their fans to explain exactly how Rosie's words hurt them."

Great point, Rap541,

Justin said...

Makes me sick that Rosie is apologizing to Roloffs!

Where's the Roloffs apologies. That's right, the Roloffs don't apologize for anything.

If Rosie wants to reach out to a LP she should choose Jen Montzingo. At leaset she supports equality across the board!

Rap541 said...

Justin, I think she's actually apologized to a lot of the lps who have contacted her.

Justin said...

Rap, she's emailing Amy. She hasn't done that with other LPs. She's doing it because Amy was on the Today show.

Makes me sick.
Rosie means well but is apologizing to the wrong person.

Rap541 said...

Yeah but remember, despite the "I'm over it ALREADY" front - if Rosie doesn't make nice, Matt and Amy will never let this go and expend a great deal of energy telling us how awful it was and how devastated they are even though they are totally over it.

She made a mistake and they're making her pay. It makes their "let it go oh dear god Jeremy was just a boy and how can anyone be offended by his oh so private comments!" indignation especially hilarious. No apology for anyone offended by slurring gays, african americans and mexicans since well... Jer is a Roloff and a Roloff can crap where he pleases and anyone with a problem with that just needs to get over it, per the Roloffs. If Jeremy's words hurt you, well, learn some resilency! Grow up! He was a boy and he's not apologizing since well, he's a Roloff. But let a *Roloff* be hurt by words... Amy is right there explaining to us how awful it is and making it VERY CLEAR that Rosie needs to kiss Amy's ass a bit because Amy is HURT.

I don't blame Rosie. Unlike the Roloffs, she understands the PR game.

Anonymous said...

Why some people are attacking Mat and Amy? They are not the ones who said such a nasty, ignorant and hurtful things against a group of people. Get it together and stop the bulling against little people and any other minority groups.

Rap541 said...

In fairness, kind anon, first, what Rosie said was that she was afraid of little people and that she understood she was wrong to feel that way. She's repeatedly apologized for even that. Matt - who has publically stated several times that his staff monitors his facebook for bad behavior, has allowed numerous comments about Rosie being a fat lesbian bitch/jerk/ass. I assume you have a problem with Matt allowing someone to be derided for their appearence?

Or did Rosie deserve the fat remarks since judging people by their appearence is wrong *if you're short* but gobblygoo Matt Roloff approved if you're a fatty?

Plus, Anon, you do understand that on the occasions where Amy and Matt's children have been caught calling fans creepers or using racist hatespeech.... Amy and Matt very much feel that everyone needs to shut up and get over it since you know, it's in the past.

Needless to say, some people are tired of the double standard of "If a Roloff is offended, well, burn down the hater's house! Fire up their email and cry out your rage and offense at how hateful their words are!!! But if a Roloff offends *you*, you better grow up and deal and learn to not be so sensitve and remember everyone makes mistakes, not that the Roloffs ever are accountable for such mistakes."

Remember, if a Roloff is hurt by something, their pain is real and they are so precious, we all must circle around and support them but if a Roloff hurts you, grow up, and shut up, and no matter how much pain you feel, you're being a baby and just picking on good people.

Remember, Anon, if you also feel "Beaner, N-word, F*ggot" are nasty and hurtful.... Matt and Amy will need you to justify your pain and remind you that its time to put on your big boy panties and show some resilency!