Sunday, July 1, 2012

The Roloff Family Under Oath - Interesting Tidbits About the Roloffs From Court Documents

Now that the case between the Roloffs and Washington County is officially finished, we wanted to do an item reviewing all of the interesting things that came out of this entire process. Most of this is from the depositions.

This is all public information located on the PACER website. Anyone can access the information.
Case No. 3:10-CV-1487-MO in Oregon

The interesting thing to keep in mind, is this was all done under oath and sometimes the subject can stray a bit from focusing on only the events of that day.

So in a way, we have Matt and Amy talking about things here that they wouldn't talk about in a real interview (which is usually always fluff when done by the Roloffs --  and only Matt and Amy speak).

Rap541 has been analyzing all of the court documents ever since the Spiritswander Blog was pulled into this process because of the subpoena the Roloffs had issued. Rap541 has reviewed all the documents and will outline the more interesting facts.

It's a fair amount of reading, but just before Rap541 begins and will mention things in more detail and context, I will just quickly note some of the things in here that stood out to me that might be of interest to our readers.

*Amy was seeing a therapist prior to the incident with the inspector. The therapist says Amy was seeing her because of marital problems and parenting issues.

*Matt and Amy say they have full control or the "ultimate say" over how they are depicted on "Little People, Big World".

*Under oath, Amy says she does not have a temper and cannot recall a single time in her life in which she has lost her temper.

*The Roloffs say they're paranoid over who enters their property. Matt says he has the ability to buzz people in even when he's another county. Amy says she interrogates that kids friends about who they are and why they are there.

*Matt says the incident with the inspector has threatened his manhood - his ability to protect his family as the man.

*There's information about the things Matt has often teased about on Facebook - the "stalker" and the home invasions. The "stalker" is apparently a "Doomsday" weirdo that sent them email about how God will come down on them and how he will protect them.

*The "home invasion" was during one of the remodels when half the house didn't have windows or doors.  Amy and Zach were outside and saw 2 people that Amy describes as a young boy and girl. Amy and Zach shouted "Hey, why are you here/what are you doing?" etc. and they ran off. Amy didn't call the police.

*Matt locks himself in his office and eats his meals alone. Only Matt's assistant, Caryn, and Molly, have the code. Matt considers his office, the driveway and any place near it and 30 feet around wherever he is standing at any point in time, as intimate private places. Matt wants to be able to make love to Amy in the woods without worrying that people will come by...

*Amy says she was shattered by this incident with the inspector and it changed her greatly. Jake's deposition says he noticed no change in Amy. Amy was questioned about the discrepancy; her explanation is that she's an awesome Mom and good parents are able to hide when they're upset from their kids.

*Matt says people are always trying to extort money from them. Matt feels it's because they are Little People. Matt thinks the people he bought the Ark from took one look at him and tried to rip him off. The Roloffs are also currently being sued by some woman who was a pumpkin season visitor a couple of years ago. She apparently fell off of the pavilion and broke a bone in her leg. She's suing the Roloffs for damages and pain and suffering. Matt feels that's another example of people trying to extort money from them.

*In court, they watch the unedited TLC footage. It's interesting. Apparently at the end of the incident with the inspector, Amy turns and says "Well, that was fun!"

*The inspectors side of the story: He was actually wearing a shirt that had a logo on it that said Washington County. Amy said she couldn't see the yellow logo on the yellow shirt. The inspector also told Amy that he had his business cards in this vehicle and would get it for Amy. They edited that out.

*The inspector. John Wheeler, says he was disoriented because the crew were sticking cameras and microphones in his face. He says Matt had previously told him not to get tangled up with Amy because 'she would bring him down'. At one point while Wheeler was walking away with Amy in front of him, Wheeler tripped, lost his balance and almost fell into Amy, but he caught himself at the last second. Amy snarked (in the unedited video)"That will look good on camera!" Of course, that was also edited out.

*Amy's whole claim is that she was terrified during this whole incident. Matt says when Little People are scared they "puff up like peacocks". Chris Cardamone, other crew members and Jacob were all with her while she was "terrified" of Wheeler.

There's a lot more things that I think you might find interesting. I'll turn it over to Rap541 now to describe in more detail:


So I thought I would scrounge through the court documents and bring up the interesting tidbits from the various declarations and depositions. Here goes:

This is from Matt and Amy’s separate declarations, and also some of the depositions of other witnesses and lawyer written synopsizes of witness statements. Oh there’s also expert witness stuff. Its all so exciting.

Everyone in the Roloff family has what amounts to a garage door opener to get through the security gate. Only Matt, *Caryn* and *the garbage collector* actually know the secret gate code! Because you know, the guy who picks up the trash is who you share the security of your most intimate places with.

Apparently in the unedited video of the incident, it is clear that Wheeler is wearing a shirt with the county logo on it. Amy says that not only was it difficult to see an off yellow logo on a yellow shirt, but her short stature prevented her from seeing it. Oh, and the video we saw on the tv show is indeed highly edited. Did you know Caryn was with Matt when Matt arrived to save the day?

Both Amy and Matt use the same exact verbiage “even though my family is the subject of a reality television show, we take our privacy very, very seriously, and we guard it jealously.” However both concede the property is not entirely enclosed by a fence. Now, on the one hand, it’s a fairly big property to fence in. On the other, I’m not the one bitching about my privacy.

Matt and Amy both consider the areas that we saw Wheeler walking in to be some of the most intimate areas of the farm - despite, you know, letting everyone who watches TLC see these most intimate areas of the farm. The defense got a nice shot in about doubting that the driveway was one of Matt and Amy’s most intimate spots. Even the judge, when dismissing the constitutional claims raised the point that they’re broadcasting a tv show from their most intimate area of the property.

Amy notes that she didn’t run away from Wheeler because while she was frightened, as a little person she knew she could not outrace Wheeler, and feels it is a metaphor for how little people have to face life head on and not avoid obstacles. While Amy says she was terrified, she had to defend her family and people shouldn’t assume she wasn’t frightened. Matt also notes that little people will put their hands up and “puff up like peacocks” to drive away assailants and also put their hands up simply to get an average height person’s attention and to… avoid being hit by belt buckles. But apparently when a little person is shouting angrily, getting in your belt buckle’s face and physically touching you to make you stay, that’s all due to the little person’s utter terror.

Yeah, commentary from Rap now.... You know what, Amy? I think you weren’t scared because a) you were pretty damn aggressive and b) you had three people with you as back up. Chris Cardamone was there, a camera man, and Jake. Between the four of you, I think you could have taken the sixty year old man armed with a disposable camera. Yeah, one sixty year old man versus a 40ish little person, a thirteen year old and two guys who are apparently fit enough to carry cameras around all day… That and Amy’s smug “Bless me, I’m a Mama Bear defending my den!” attitude is why I don’t think she’s spent the last year quivering in terror over intruders. And yeah, don’t argue the sacred oath of the documentary camera guy to me - I really doubt two men would have stood by while a handicapped woman gets assaulted. I kinda think they’d at least call 911. Hell, I think Jake might have mustered the ambition to dial 911.

And lets add to that this, an interesting tidbit from the *unedited* video of the incident. Per court documents, “Further, the unedited video taken of the incident shows plaintiff Amy Roloff, immediately after the incident, describing her confrontation with the building official as “fun”.” Fun. Amy was so scared, she said it was fun.

Amy’s deposition:
Something I found interesting is that Amy had only “been on the farm tour” once and wasn’t sure where it went. Also, while Matt, Zach, and Jeremy drive the tractors, per Amy they do not give the verbal tour. So basically, unless you happen to be there on a rare day of filming, you’re not going to get Matt narrating the tour, or Jeremy, or Zach. And much like we discussed at one time on the board, the job of driving the tractors is a great way to avoid guests.

Amy has done the Golden Pass tours at least once, and they seem to start in the driveway (one of the most intimately private areas of the farm, remember) People on the Golden Pass - this is the three hundred dollar tour - are allowed to take pictures of everything BUT the inside of the castle (makes you wonder.) Amy described a tour she had given to one person where they were allowed to take pictures of the gazebo, the ark, the swamp fort and the men’s crisis center - which is also considered intimately private btw.

During Season three, four and five, the camera crews were on site five days a week, ten months of the year. Amy also concedes that private moments like medical issues and fights with Matt were filmed. She can’t remember what the fights were about or when they happened or how many episodes of the show were made. Perhaps she should watch the show to jog her memory?

Amy concedes that Wheeler never threatened her, verbally or physically, but she was afraid because he was tall and on her property. To quote Amy “Anyone that’s on my property that I do not know who they are, why they are there, definitely bigger and taller than me will always be a threat and a scary thing.”. What’s interesting, considering her reaction to Wheeler was hardly cringing in terror is that she apparently also drove a trespassing bicyclist off the property and at least one family of fans. Oh, and dealt with the “burglary” by charging into the house after the “burglars” but we’ll get to that.

Amy is asked directly if she is aware of any time that Washington county discriminated against her, and she says she is not aware of any occurrence.

On the unedited video we didn’t get to see, Amy verbalized that Wheeler’s car was “a county jeep”. If you’re wondering why that’s an issue - Amy insists she had no idea that Wheeler was from the county until after, so it contradicts how she “couldn’t see” the logo on his shirt.

One fun thing the lawyers point out in the deposition is that the Ark - ALSO one of the most intimate places on the farm, is photographed by fans and there’s photos of the ark on various Roloff websites. See, the Roloffs were arguing that taking pictures of the Ark violated their privacy but Amy has no idea just how many people have snapped photos of this intimate place. In the deposition Amy concedes that no one in the family actually uses the ark and that she was on the tv show being against the ark but now she believes that its there because Noah’s Ark is an “ intimate, private, faith based story” to the Roloffs. Oh good lord, Amy. It’s not a *private* story for your family and as we’ll see from Matt’s depositions, the Roloff family had final decision making on their intimate, private, faith based feelings about the Ark being televised. But just to be clear, I’m pretty sure I heard your family’s *private* faith based story from my dad and the Taize Picture Bible and a stuffed frog for visual aids.

When asked, Amy notes that she was bullied as a child. She’s also surprisingly noncommittal about the content of her inspirational talks, which at the time of the deposition, she was doing 6-10 times a year. Granted, its not exactly a sell yourself venue, being at a deposition, but I was surprised at how Amy really wouldn’t talk about her speeches beyond how she talks about being a dwarf. Another surprise is how little Amy knows or at least is able to articulate about her medical condition.

Under oath, Amy says her temper has never gotten the best of her. Oh Amy, are you Egyptian? Because you’re certainly the Queen of Denial. Excluding the temper tantrum at Wheeler, I can think of at least two other incidents where we saw Amy lose her temper - the fight with Matt on the boat on the Mississippi and the time Jake said a sort of curse and Amy spent the afternoon ranting and chasing him around. When Amy is mad, Amy makes a day of it.

Any way, after some nonsense about how “I may be firm. I may be loud.” we move on to the other trespassing incidents. Apparently Amy on several occasions firmly told people to leave the property after finding them wandering around. One of them was an approximately six foot tall male bicyclist who just didn’t get that he was on a private driveway and Amy had to repeat herself several times to get him to leave. She didn’t call the cops. And she didn’t feel intimidated, despite his size.

There were several occasions where people just drove up and parked and Amy sent them packing and per Amy this happens all year round. And funny, they didn’t used to have this problem before the show….

And now we’re up to “the burglary” or as Amy calls it, “an invasion in our home”. It was during the major remodel, although I had to piece that from Matt’s description of the house having all the windows and doors off the house. Its described as in 2006 or 2007. Basically Amy and Zach came home to find two people roaming around the house, described by Amy as a boy and a girl. Amy was too scared to call the police. But she and Zach entered the house shouting ‘what are you doing here” and the kids ran off. Amy did NOT call the police. She isn’t sure if Matt called the police later. Yeah. More on this in a minute.

Now the stalker. Amy’s deposition is a little disjointed on this but here goes. The stalker sends them email about how God is going to come down on them and he’s there to protect them. He’s apparently living in a country other than the US. His name is there if you’re really curious. There’s no mention of any arrest. Also apparently some guy in jail had a picture of the Roloff kids. The police called Amy to see if she knew what it was about. That worries Amy. And there’s mention of the sign vandalism. There is absolutely no mention of *Molly* or Molly being targeted specifically.

So to sum up, this was so awful, Matt and Amy bring up the stalking and the burglary whenever they can…. Funny how Molly being stalked, you know, their precious girl, never came up when it came time to outline their concerns about Wheeler being on the property. And funny how the burglary apparently was NOT something anyone ever called the cops on but we are to be sympathetic since fans (and not likely local kids “fence hopping”) were violating the Roloffs home by STEALING. I don’t mean to harp, but to me this is a classic situation that got exaggerated for sympathy and now looks kinda pathetic. Really, Roloffs, if you don’t give enough of a damn to call the cops, you really shouldn’t be weeping and crying the horror of your violation. If you weren’t bothered enough to call the cops on the “burglars” then please don’t expect a ton of sympathy. Was anything even stolen? Oh wait, bless us, we Roloffs can cry on face book about how we were VIOLATED by a BURGLARY but I bet answering yes or no to “was anything stolen” is just too gosh darn PRIVATE. Bless us, if the Roloffs say they were home invaded, it’s a sin against Jesus to ask follow up questions and a sin against the Roloffs to not weep for the agony of the Roloffs pain. You know, the pain of their home being burglarized where they were so horrified, they CAN’T REMEMBER IF THEY CALLED THE COPS.

Oh and I definitely will concede the Roloffs might be playing dumb here, but really, considering its under oath, makes you wonder, huh? No one can remember ever calling the cops
on a home invasion that gets constantly cited as an example of how the Roloffs get violated.

Oh, Amy was seeing a counselor over her marriage. Amy never saw a counselor JUST about her emotional stress from this incident. When she went to her marriage counselor, they discussed this incident once. The marriage counselor, Darla, did not consider it something they focused on or spoke of more than once.

While Amy is terrified that a county official will trespass again, she concedes that it never happened before. She loses sleep once a week or once every two weeks over the incident. She hasn’t lost appetite or had dizzy spells, headaches, or nausea due to the incident. She does think she is much more proactive about security, questioning the children on who their friends are, where and when people are coming and being all around more paranoid. She says in the deposition that this is where she has tremendously changed her habits.

And this is where Jake screws Amy. Apparently in Jake’s deposition, he noted no changes in Amy’s behavior since the incident. Heh. Amy attempts to cover this by noting that as a mother, its her job to hide her stress and be mom.

Amy genuinely believes if someone comes on her property with a camera and takes a picture, she legally can take the camera.

You know, I don’t want to be entirely dismissive of the basic issue here - look, Wheeler could have been smarter and avoided the whole mess. My problem, and I suspect the problem of other viewers, and something perhaps even the judge sensed, is that for all the talk, I don’t get the vibe that Amy was emotionally traumatized by this. Sorry, Amy, but when you primly sit on the hay bale snotting off how you’re a Mama Bear (god, her lawyer actually used this term) and proud to stand up for yourself… it runs counter to the idea that you’re quivering in terror over the idea that your land isn’t secure. Likewise, its hard to believe the stress caused is disrupting your life when a) there’s an OBVIOUS stressor in the form of the show going into the crapper at the same time and b) even with the show crapping out at the same time, if your biggest complaint is that you maybe lose sleep once every two weeks and you have become more proactive on checking where your kids are…. Yeah. I will grant you that Amy’s depiction on the show is not necessarily real, but she doesn’t come off as having serious trauma. And in the court documents, she isn’t even willing to commit to saying she’s having serious issues. She’s losing sleep on occasion and more worried about her personal safety. Sounds like me after 9/11. How is she so shattered when she’s not showing any symptoms of shattering?

Let’s move on to Matt’s deposition

Now here’s the thing about depositions. We don’t get to see the depositions unless either the plaintiff or defense cites something in the deposition. So there are a lot of cuts and stuff. I mention that because Matt’s deposition stuff starts with him finishing up a discussion of how he was discriminated against by someone associated with the ark, who took one look at Matt and wanted money. Which frankly, is a much more interesting story than what we got and we never saw that on the show. You know, Matt standing firm as a man, refusing to pay an extorter who was only extorting because of Matt’s size… you’d think that would have been a nice episode.

Matt pretty much can’t stand most of the county inspectors. Remember Kofi, the African American looking inspector? Oh he chaps Matt’s ass! In fact Matt says he “irritates the socks off me”. I guess a deposition isn’t the time for the term “douche bag”, huh Matt? In contrast, Matt calls Wheeler tough but fair, but really preferred some older fellow named Marshall. Matt also calls Wheeler professional. Of course Matt notes that one of his neighbors has been relentless in calling complaints, and that he and Amy have NEVER made a complaint but that he feels Oregon wants him to take an arrow in the back. Yeah, pretty sure some of this might have to do with your not always charming personality, Matt.

So when asked damages, Matt wants to revisit it but concedes no physical damage, and no loss of wages. Also Matt does a major dance to avoid admitting that the Ark is visible from the Jossy property (it’s the place Matt and Amy bought) and finally concedes there’s a tiny area where yes, people on the Jossy property can see the Ark. If you know the secret magical place that’s so very hard to find, Matt concedes the Ark is visible. Matt also throws a hissy over a photo he is shown that the lawyer says was taken from the Jossy property but Matt insists it HAD to have been taken four feet over the border and whoever took it was TRESPASSING. Yeah, Matt throwing a hissy never gets old. Matt also eventually concedes with much blustering about how really rare and difficult it is that yes, the Ark can be seen from very tiny and hard to reach areas of the Avrit property that Matt also thinks involves people trespassing on his property.

Hilariously at this point in the deposition, Matt wants to rant and a lawyer nicely and politely tells him to just answer the questions.

Btw per the deposition, Matt doesn’t appear to own the property of “the dirt deal”, he manages the land. Oh and someone who broke their leg on the property during pumpkin season is suing Matt and Amy and in the deposition Matt says he is extorted all the time! And he thinks their lawsuit is going to be tossed out. Funny how Matt is standing up for himself when he’s suing someone, but when someone sues him, it can’t possibly be anything but someone extorting Matt because Matt is a little person. 

Basically a woman fell off the peach pavillon and broke her leg and is suing the Roloffs for medical expenses and pain and suffering.

Matt dances around talking about the show, says he is a pumpkin farmer when asked by strangers, does motivation speaking and doesn’t consider being on a reality show what he does for a living. He says he does the motivational speaking a couple times a month.

Hilariously, Matt also cites a time where he was doing grade school talks (a 20 minute talk) and he was concerned because all the kids thought dwarfs had magical powers. I mention this mostly because of the high horse the LPA got on over not having actual dwarfs in Snow White and the Huntsman. I mean, can we make up our minds? 

Matt also talks about how midget and Jimmy Kimmel are hurtful… no mention of his crying how he’s a midget farmer being harassed by his neighbors in newspapers. Matt says he and Amy are passionate about making people *appreciate differences*. Note to the Christian set - “Appreciate” not “Tolerate” or “Aware” - my point by the way is that Matt and Amy want more than tolerance and awareness for dwarfs, they want appreciation. Do you think they *appreciate* homosexuals?

Matt says in his deposition that he and Amy have control over how they are depicted. “We have control over it. We have ultimate say over it.” That’s a direct quote. I don’t ever want to hear “TLC stops Matt from standing up and saying he hates homos like a good Christian should” - are we clear on that, Christian set? Because Matt has complete control and ultimate say and swore to God on that point.

Matt cites several people locally as being bigots about little people. Again, if you want names, go look it up but funny how people who hate little people are also people who make public complaints about Roloff Farms. Standing up to Matt apparently means you hate little people. No actual examples of the bigotry were made, by the way. Oh, and please understand, I am not denying the possibility of prejudice, I’m merely pointing out that the people Matt cites as bigots are people he’s had farm related fights with. And to be frank, having read some of the complaints, I really don’t think all of the neighbor complaints are totally invalid.

Matt says there were multiple incidents of his rights being violated at the Victory Lane property he manages. However he’s very vague about the details, not wanting to commit to naming the inspectors who violated him - he does the “I want to say it was” over Kofi and someone named Jennifer but no real commitment. He says it happened three or four times - and these all occurred after the incident with Amy, but he was only present for one incident. As he describes the incidents, he really only describes one incident that sounds like inspectors came onto the property and Matt was mostly upset that he thinks Kofi was rude to one of his employees. And when asked, Matt conceded no one ever asked the inspectors to leave the property and he only once told them they weren’t supposed to be there, and it was a hedging “you know, you’re not supposed to come on here without permission” not a “I am Matt Roloff, a *fighter* and you are not to tread foot on this land!”. Also Matt wiffles over what incident this was and while four are mentioned, only three are described and frankly only one sounds like it even comes close to trespass. And it’s not actually trespass. Matt also concedes he never asked anyone in these incidents to leave the property. In the dismissal of claims conversation with the judge and lawyers, this whole business wasn’t even brought up. It was all dismissed as unproven.

Matt says the incident with Amy “rattled me to my core, my sense of security and control over my personal safety”. It also shook “my sense of manhood”. Matt says he went on Ambien over the whole business. Much like Amy, yeah, not buying what Matt is selling on this point. Look, it’s easy to say you’re shattered emotionally. The problem is that there’s no evidence on Matt’s part that aside from saying “I’m shattered emotionally” that he was in any way bothered by this. 

Especially when there’s an obvious alternate reason for any stress and sleepless nights he might have, namely that the show was canceled. He’s even asked directly if he has any fear that this will happen again, and says no. So he’s not afraid it will happen again, there were no damages, no one was physically hurt, he’s never seen a doctor as a direct result of this incident but he’s emotionally shattered? Over something he was willing to sit and grin about on the hay bale “it was a big misunderstanding” - and not “I was shattered emotionally, I don’t know how I will get through this” - oh, and folks, that “it was a big misunderstanding”… yeah please remember that Matt said under oath that he has complete control over what gets aired.

Btw Matt says it turns out he doesn’t have sleep apnea. He does not use a sleep machine, aka a CPAP or BPAP. Allow a moment of personal interjection here. I was pretty certain Matt wasn’t diagnosed with needing a machine for sleep apnea when he was going on about how he stopped breathing 37 times. Yeah, I have had a sleep study. You’re concerning and likely to have sleep apnea if you stop breathing over 50 times. At my sleep study, I stopped breathing 84 times. Yes I have a machine (I call it my Ood machine, ten points to anyone who gets the reference). No, I am not shocked Matt, with his giant nasal passages, doesn’t have sleep apnea. No, I am not shocked that Matt has led people to believe he has sleep apnea. It’s a nice sympathy point after all, and I suppose he’s not lying when he tells well wishers he’s handling it well… since you know, he doesn’t actually have sleep apnea . He also says he had some discussion because he was borderline and thought the machine was a scam. If you have it, the machine isn’t a scam but always nice to hear someone deride medical issues. 

Oh hey the camera at pumpkin season? Is a direct result of Matt and Amy feeling violated by Wheeler and not in any way a result of people on Matt’s creepy forum suggesting it for *years*. See, the camera was installed for *security!* Except you know, during pumpkin season where it is used for live streaming the farm! BUT ITS FOR SECURITY! And for security, Matt eliminated all the gate codes (except the one for the garbage man, maybe) and everyone including the camera crews has to call a Roloff for access.

Matt admits having no fear that a county official will do this again. Despite being emotionally shattered and losing his sense of manhood over it, he’s confident it will never happen again. Gosh, that’s the comment of someone who’s afraid of being violated again.

Matt describes the burglary incident as the back half of the house being open, no doors and windows. He does not mention any police involvement.

Matt has never seen a shrink over the Ark incident, but feels his dizzy issues might pertain to it. Its all very vague though. I mean, “I wouldn’t be able to say that for certainty, but it’s coincidental that some of these things seem to be exasperated since this incident, but, you know it actually is - this discovery process that’s making me more curious about those questions, actually.” isn’t exactly a firm “yes it all relates” now is it? That’s a direct quote by the way. Then after twisting in the wind, Matt finally says he’s not a doctor so he can’t say his dizzy spells are connected. While he saw his regular doctor for stress and started taking Ambien, he never actually went to a shrink or a counselor.

Hilariously, while Amy describes herself as not losing her temper, with you know “I may be firm. I may be loud.” - Matt describes his arrival on the scene with “And Amy was, you know, ranting and raving, and clearly upset”. He also describes Amy as extremely distressed when she called him and that he flipped the car around to go home. Oh, and Caryn was with him. In the car. Caryn who is also the person he shares lock access with to his most private place outside the bedroom, and that strip of driveway.

Next he’s apparently watching the video and this is where it gets petty and ass-tastic on his part. Basically the lawyer asks him if it looks like Wheeler is trying to get off the property and Matt says, no. Because see - Amy told Wheeler to get off the property so instead of doing the normal thing and going back the way he came, to Matt, what Wheeler should have is taken two steps (per Matt) to the left to get on the Jossy property. Why is this ridiculous?

Mostly because had Wheeler done that - stepped three feet over the property and said “I’m not on your property” - Amy wasn’t going to say “Oh good, now give me your name”. In fact, based on Amy’s freak out, I think she have cried even more how Wheeler “refused to leave the property and he was still on our land”. In fact, based on Matt’s rampant denials and accusations that every one who took pictures for the court case from the Jossy and Avrit property were actually trespassing and that the only places on either property are super small, tiny little areas that no reasonable person could ever stand upon…. Yeah, I don’t think Matt would consider his manhood not shaken if Wheeler had just taken three steps to the left. It’s also just a dick move on Matt’s part and shows how completely unreasonable the Roloffs were willing to be. Really, Amy told Wheeler to leave and he went out the way he came in and as he does so, Matt genuinely hand on the Bible says he does not know that Wheeler was trying to leave the property because all he had to do was take two steps to the left. Right.

It also leads to a question on my part of a more technical nature. The Roloff property is NOT fence enclosed. Wheeler parked at a gate that had a fence around it. At some point (on the lengthy driveway I think) he’s on a piece of the Roloff property extremely close to the Roloff home… but also so close to the Jossy property and unfenced that in theory people can stand on the Jossy property and be within feet of the Roloff’s inner private domain. I mean, I know its impossible now that the Roloffs own the Jossy property but it does make me wonder if there was a point where the Jossy’s missed out on their chance to be harassing jerks by inviting people to come stand on the property line and look at the Roloffs private inner sanctum of the driveway. You know, one of their most personal private places for the family.

Matt spends most of his time in his office that is in one of the barns, not the house office. He eats most of his meals there. Alone. By himself in his office. With the door locked that no one but two people can access with a code. Really, what does that *say* about family life on Roloff Farms? Matt also believes he spends two to three hours a day riding around in the Mule and is very proud of having owned 11 Mules. He also feels that after his bedroom, and “B1” the barn office, the most private place on the farm is 30 feet around wherever he is standing at any time. Which is the sort of passive aggressive answer we’ve come to expect from Matt. He then clarifies also that everything that is locked is private. And that his special office has a lock and only Caryn and *Molly* know the special lock code. Matt makes it very clear that Amy can not get into his inner sanctum. He then continues to note that really, everything “behind the gate” is private to him because he stripped out all the codes and no one who isn’t a Roloff can enter the property thru the gate without calling a family member for access. Which leads me back to this mystery area of the property where apparently you can get to within feet of the Roloff home with no fence barring your path….

Matt firmly believes that he should be able to make love to his wife in the forest with no concern about people wandering onto the property. I actually have no issue with this, I just found it an interesting way for Matt to give an example about how every place on the farm was INTENSELY private.

Like Amy, Matt believes that the driveway is as private as his bedroom. For the record, no one ever mentions how Jeremy and Zach and to a lesser extent Molly and Jake don’t even get the right to sleep in their bedrooms privately if Dad and Mom can make a buck on letting the cameras into the *kids* bedrooms but I guess as long as Matt and Amy say it’s ok to violate their kids privacy, it is and no one should point out how laughable it is that their kids crawling out of bed, shirtless in their boxer shorts is important to telling an organic story but the driveway is sacredly private… Until the episode of the sacred driveway being violated is aired. Point - if the driveway is as private as Matt and Amy’s bedroom… then why is it on a tv show? Matt and Amy’s bedroom has never been shown on the show, and neither has Matt’s locked office in the barn.

The Ark was put on the land for business purposes, Matt concedes but he also feels it has a religious meaning for him. Its funny how he never really wants to define himself as having these religious feelings and attachment to the church when he’s on camera… but he will under oath. Again, remember, Matt has complete control over how he is depicted.

Now Wheeler’s deposition stuff was mostly boring, a lot of “were you ever trained that trespassing was wrong” sort of stuff… Basically, in the part of the case that was totally thrown out, the basic premise was that Singlakis and Cook-Smith, the higher ups named, were telling Wheeler and Winchester to go do stuff against the rules and weren’t properly training people either. So its mostly about what classes he went to, etc. 

However, there’s a write up that Wheeler did for his boss at 2:30 pm July 16, 2010 - when the incident was fresh, that has some tidbits that are interesting.

So Amy rolls up in the Mercedes, asks him why he’s there, orders him off, and then asks for his card. He realized he didn’t have any cards, and told Amy there were some in his vehicle and he would get one. You’ll note that this never made it into the show. He says he was flustered by the cameras and microphones they were sticking in his face, and that Matt had given him a warning about Amy - let me quote Wheeler. “And Amy Roloff was yelling at me. I panicked and could only remember that Matt said not to get tangled up with Amy she would take me down”. Funny that. You know, for a woman who never loses her temper, her husband basically described her as a violent bitch. Twice. Once to a stranger.

Then we have the parts we saw on tv, his asking to talk to Matt, Amy blocking him by getting in front of him, etc. We didn’t see this - he apparently stumbled and almost fell over, and almost knocked Amy over and Amy snarked at him “That’ll look good on camera”. Amy also told him to get his card from the passenger side of the truck.

Wheeler also seems to believe he was given permission by Matt on previous visits to access the property and was surprised that Amy didn’t recognize him. He got in trouble at work, was ordered to never go to the Roloff property again, and ultimately retired due to this incident. 

You’ll forgive me if that doesn’t sound like a guy who was just out getting his jollies and hating on the Roloffs. Oh, and for the record, people who still think there’s some sort of conspiracy going on, Wheeler was responding to an actual complaint. He wasn’t “just snooping” or “looking for some reason to hate on the Roloffs”. He was sent out because Brad Avrit called in a complaint about the Ark. Brad is one of the neighbors (Matt and Ron Roloff ranted to fans on the TLC message boards years ago about Brad Avrit) and was concerned because he thought people needed permits to dump giant boats on their property. So those of you who kept harping on how it was just someone doing evil, please stop. Even the Roloffs, under oath, aren’t saying they believe there was no complaint - in fact in legal documents its considered *undisputed* that the county was responding to actual complaints. Oh, and Brad did a deposition too, and I doubt that makes him love the Roloffs more, if you get me.

Singalakis’s stuff is mostly boring, the same “did you tell people to violate the rules, are your people trained” stuff, but… He did mention how the County was inundated with fans emailing them with “How can you do this to the Roloffs, leave the Roloffs alone!”. That makes me wonder how Matt and Amy feel about these fans inserting themselves in their personal private business. Does anyone recall Matt and Amy telling people to not harass Washington County? Cause I sure don’t remember that. I don’t recall the Roloffs having any sort of problem with that at all. Hmmm.

Nadine Smith-Cook, another named high up, said similar things about the training etc. She apparently did call on July 16 2010 and spoke with Matt to apologize “for having perhaps an overzealous inspector responding to a complaint” and asked to speak to Amy to apologizes to her as well and Matt refused, saying Amy was too upset and had felt Wheeler was some sort of crazed man. Matt then told her he would get back to her. Apparently that never happened. This becomes relevant in that in Amy’s deposition, it comes up, the issue of apologies comes up and while its an area that the conversation is a bit cut off, Amy comes off as rather dismissive of the County apologizing since she doubts the sincerity of it. So just so we’re clear, the County did make an effort to apologize and the Roloffs dismissed it. Interesting, the Roloff commitment to Christian forgiveness.

Caryn the Assistant really had not much to say, the Roloffs are intensely private, and she’s drunk the kool-aid and believes that as soon as she crosses the gate, standing in the driveway, she’s in an intensely private area of the Roloff home. Mind you, I really don’t see Matt’s personal assistant saying anything different. Caryn is paid by the Roloffs.

Likewise, David Clapp, Amy’s personal trainer, who confidently points out that there’s no way someone of Amy’s size can outrun an aggressor (you know, the gray haired sixty year old man who likely belongs to AARP). He also feels that had he been in a similar situation that he would have felt threatened. Again, he also gets a paycheck from a Roloff, so take that as you will, a well built personal trainer feeling that if he and two other young men and a 13 year old teen came upon a 60 year old man, that he‘d be frightened for his safety.

And then we have Darla Johnson. Darla is Amy’s counselor. Amy was seeing the counselor BEFORE the incident with Wheeler, about her *marital discord*. So to be clear, Amy didn’t start seeing a counselor because of this incident, she was already seeing a counselor over her marital discord. According to Darla, Amy was quite upset and said that Wheeler had bullied and intimidated her, and had refused to leave. Now that’s contrary to the video and to all the sworn testimony that Wheeler never threatened her. Had Darla testified, it would have been to the fact that Amy was seeing her primarily for marital discord and parenting issues.

Interestingly, to give you an idea of Amy’s emotional upset, according to the defense, once Wheeler left, Amy made several phone calls regarding existing appointments along with calling the police. Also, per the defense, not only did Amy jump on his lap, at one point she shoved him. Maybe that was the part that was fun?

The Roloffs were going to call a Dr. Betty Adelson to testify on how little people are so incredibly different from the average heights, when we’re seeing Amy aggressively shout, its wrong to interpret that as anger because we should all understand that little people are bullied and mistreated constantly. Interestingly, Adelson never actually examined Amy or watched the uncut footage and at the time the case was thrown out, the defense was protesting including her since she had no scientific basis for her claims.

The defense also had their own expert witness, a Dr. Glass who examined both Amy and Matt. The defense was basically arguing little people are just like everyone else and when you basically pass a psych eval with no obvious trauma for an average height person, it is then hard to argue that your trauma is due to your size. There were a lot of hilarious things in the psych evals but the judge has since locked those down. The evaluations were available for about a month so I have read them, and lets just say Matt lies a great a deal on his facebook about any number of things and leave it at that.

Suffice to say, the judge dismissed all of the constitutional claims, state claims and the request for an injunction because there just wasn’t any evidence that the Roloffs were systemically abused or treated differently by the county. 

There’s also no indication that the Roloffs wanted Spirit’s identity for *any reason* related to the case. Basically the Roloffs were suggesting that the county was singling them out - which the county disproved, and that Wheeler committed an egregious violation of their constitutional rights - which wasn’t proven, and that the Ark and the driveway is like a bedroom from a privacy standpoint and no, they didn’t prove that either and none of it had anything to do with a blog site so Matt basically abused the legal system to try to get Spirit’s identity for his own purposes. T

There’s not a hint of anything on either the plaintiffs or defense side that there was any connection or concern or even a reference to the blog. Aside from Matt’s subpoena for info, the topic is never mentioned.

My thoughts on that? Matt used his lawyer and his money to be abusive and petty. Sorry, Matt fans, but there’s no other explanation for it. It was a petty, small minded move, from a petty, small minded man. His stated delight that serving subpoenas on Google was “the funnest ever” was the words of a man delighting in making others suffer for nothing. He had no reason to suspect Spirit or anyone here, and he subpoenaed Spirit for spite and spite alone. Oh, and now that the case is done, Matt *could* stand up like a man and explain to the public why he was subpoenaing Spirit, or he can be a coward and cry “privacy, oh bless me, my petty public behavior is too private for me to share” and guess what, sports fans? Proud stand up and fight Matt Roloff isn’t going to have a fighting word to say on this point. Matt doesn’t have the chops to stand up and explain *why* he subpoenaed Spirit and why he thought it related to his case. Mark my words, folks… Matt’s never going to speak a peep on this. He’s such a *fighter* that way.

Oh, technically we’ll never know if the Roloffs got any money in their settlement, but the reality is that out of the 200,000 being requested, 120k was due to the claims that were dismissed in the summary judgment. Also the request for an injunction was dismissed and as Spirit noted from the lawyer’s arguments - the ability to request attorney’s fees from the defense goes out the window if the claims are dismissed. So that means at best the Roloffs would have gotten 80k and they would have had to cover their court costs. 

I don’t know if Spirit ever mentioned it, but I looked into just what defending the subpoena would have cost and it would have been 10k, just for that. So whatever they got, if they got anything in the settlement…. It sure wasn’t much considering the entire case was dismissed AGAINST the county except the trespass that the county had already admitted and apologized for.

Oh, and the Roloffs admitted there was no physical damage to the farm, and that neither of them had any discernable medical issues due to the stress and neither of them ever sought out a shrink to handle their emotional issues.

I sure hope it was worth it. At least we know now what a petty vengeful small minded man Matt is. Matt, I sure hope those tee hees about how much fun you had being a petty jerk were worth this great big face slap.


Podge/Rodge groupie said...

This is wonderful work, Spirit. Thanks very much. I'll need some time to digest all this plus my own documentation.

Podge/Rodge groupie said...

Rap and Spirit, as far as compensation goes, we have a good clue in the verbal arguments of April 10. Spirit was absolutely correct in saying this was a very important day in the case. Jedge Mosman threw out any and all ocnstitutional arguments by the plaintiffs, and we were left eith the simple trespass. Now look at Ross Day's words that Spirit quoted in the previous item, "....This does not entitle....My clients cannot recieved compensation for protecting theirs rights (sic)". Entitle????? really Mr. Day. Anyway, it was proven and adjudged that NONE of their rights were violated, not their 4th Amendment rights in Claim 2 I believe, or as the verbal argument goes, into their 14th Amendment rights. No violations, no compensation, and no opportunity for compensation.

Also, with the case being dismissed with prejudice, these matters cannot be filed again, as in no re-try for compensation, or another suit on the same incident.

I regret the fact that the Judge has locked down the psyche evals. I have them almost memorized and that would have lead to an item as long as Rap's. Oh well. We still have plenty to talk aobut.

Justin said...

The stuff on the show was marriage drama and according to Matt's FB, they are happy...but Amy was seeing a shrink about her marriage and parenting?

Is this the therapist that has convinced Amy that she's done with parenting?

Ashley said...

Thanks Rap.

I just read everything you wrote and my opinion? Amy is a HUGE b*tch?

How can she call herself a "Christian"?

What a nasty soul.

It says A LOT that Matt told the inspector to not get tangled up with Amy because she will go off on him.

When Matt is warning people about somebody you know that they have to be bad.

Timothy said...

Rap, I have a question.

You mentioned the elephant in the room.

Did the county's lawyer ever point out that all the stress that Matt and Amy claim to have and attribute to Mr. Wheeler happened right around the time that ratings for their show was sinking and after 5 years the series was being canceled?

TML said...

the "great big face slap" as Rap said, id like to call that karma.

Vic Rattlehead said...

This is so deliciously ironic.

Matt & Amy wanted $200.000 and instead walked away with what amounts to a meaningless paper verdict once the legal fees are paid.

In short: their greed got the best of them and it all came back to bite them hard.

Now maybe TLC will realize the sort of vile people Matt & Amy are and walk away from their contract with them so they can sink into bankruptcy and end up broke and homeless like they deserve.

Rap541 said...

Timothy - I would say, based on the psych evaluations and on some of the questions in the depositions that yes, that particular line of questioning was probably going to come up.

What I found interesting in all honesty was how little there was in the way of actual damages. I mean, no physical damages, no seeing a doctor specifically due to the incident on either Matt or Amy's part... I know the major point for the Roloffs was the constitutional stuff - I think Matt was geniunely hoping to make the farm hands off to inspections but really, Matt basically said he couldn't connect his stress to the incident at all, and Amy in theory loses sleep possibly once a week, possibly once every two weeks. I don't know how they thought it wass going to parlay into 80,000 in damages.

Likewise, while its a little technical, the judge basically came down on the side of common sense with the various constitutional claims.

Rap541 said...

Ashley, you know what? I will come down on Amy's side a *little* here.

I think she lost her temper, badly. I doubt it's indicative of how she normally acts, I think she was under a lot of other stress, including the show tanking, and the, yeah, marital problems and Matt treating her like ass by consulting her on the Ark, agreeing he wasn't going to do it and then doing it anyway. The reality is that it probablt would have helped the case if Amy had been "and then I lost it" but she was trying to maintain a *little* dignity.

And Matt threw her under the bus. Matt describes her as ranting and raving, he clearly told Wheeler she was a bitch, and the jist of Matt's arguement over his stress is that Amy basically was a total utter mess and he had never had to deal with such a mess before. He also threw her under the bus in the psych evals with some not surprisingly to me comments.

So to be fair, I think it's safe to say Matt doesn't hide his opinion of his wife from his wife. I think Amy has a lot of reasons to be a bitch, and her husband telling everyone in earshot what a bitch she is is once of those stressors.

Porcupine Pie said...

Thank you Spirits and Rap, that was quite......interesting, but not really a big surprise. Phony-baloney so-called Christians they are, but we all pretty much knew that.

And Matt wanting to make love to Car- whoops!, Amy in the woods, um, wow, please pass the brain bleach.......

Megan said...

Thanks Rap. That was interesting.

Can I just be blunt and say what other people must be thinking?

Does anyone think there is anything fishy going on with Matt and Caryn? Doesn't it strike everyone else as weird?

Caryn has the super secret special code to Matt's office, but Amy doesn't????

Caryn has the code to the gate, but Amy doesn't????? How messed up is that?!?

Caryn was with Matt in the car but was edited out.

That gets a great big HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM from me.

Greg said...

Are all the people that suck up and back up the Roloffs paid by the Roloffs or moochers?

All the people mentioned in this.

Chris Cardamone got a job and paycheck off the Roloffs back.

Caryn gets her paycheck from the Roloffs. The trainer gets his paycheck from the Roloffs. The counselor gets a paycheck from the Roloffs.

I think it speaks volumes about the Roloffs that all of their "friends" either are paid by the Roloffs or get stuff from being friends with the Roloffs (ex. Mueller).

Julie said...

"I mention this mostly because of the high horse the LPA got on over not having actual dwarfs in Snow White and the Huntsman. I mean, can we make up our minds?  "

These are two very different issues at play here.

Rap541 said...

Porcupine - the points where I was like "Wow Matt, you're an ass" were these. The hissy fits over how the Ark could only be seen from very very small and difficult to get to areas of the ajoining farms and everyone HAD to have trespassed on his land to get example photos! Really, it made me wish they had bundled Matt and the deposition recorder into a Mule and driven Matt out to the property line and then asked "Are we not on your property now? Can you see the Ark?" (That btw was the defense establishing that the Ark was in an open field and therefore not subject to search and seizure laws)

And the whole "No, it's completely unreasonable for someone to leave the property the way they came in" rigamorale over how all Wheeler needed to do to please Matt was take two steps to the right and be off the property" - Matt has a really odd idea of reasonable behavior.

Greg - the only caveat I would add to what you've said is that I got the impression the counselor wasn't entirely happy about being drawn into a court situation over this. Apparently her warning was a "heads up! We're probably going to subpeona you!"

Jocelynn said...

Julie, I understand where you're going, but I think Rap makes a solid point.

If you're going to declare that it's a bad message and example to set for children to associate dwarfs with the 7 dwarves and creatures with magical powers, then it is hypocritical to get on your high horse and make a fuss that they aren't hiring LPs to play the role.

If Matt really meant what he said about being concerned about kids associating LP with those roles, the thing to do, in my opinion, is not complain that LPs are not being cast in those roles.

I think the thing to do is to complain about that point specifically and the lack of roles that cast LPs as real people.

Don't you see Rap's point?

To simplify it:

A: It's really terrible that children think all LPs are magical creatures from Snow White.

B: I'm really upset that Hollywood is not hiring LP to play the magical creatures.

You don't see the mixed messagesy? Really?

Austin said...

This just cements that Matt will permit a Roloff to do an interview with Spirits!

Lots of tough questions to ask as a result of all of this!

It's too bad that the Roloffs are afraid of tough questions.

Rap541 said...

Julie, Jocelynn does a nice job of summing it up.

Don't get me wrong, I certainly don't begrudge any LP a job in a Snow White movie, but yes, its a mixed message to complain how dwarfs playing magical creatures in movies causes perception problems... and then complain when technology finds a way to not use dwarfs to portray magical creatures.

Julie, any thoughts on how Matt tried to use the legal system to be a bully and get Spirit's personal info? Ironic, Matt wanted to violate Spirit's privacy by using governement authority... the same thing he's sooooo shattered over :)

BeckyM said...

ROFLAMO! Been out of town so I guess I'll come in and comment on various things:

First, Chris C. is no longer involved with the show but was with Amy during the taping of this incident? Yeah, I know this was in the past but obviously not that far in the past.

If it had gone to court, I wonder if Chris C. would have been asked if he would have physically defended Amy, his beloved friend. And why didn't he? TLC doesn't film documentary's so no reason to watch the Meerkat enter the tunnel and get killed.

Next, the trainer would have felt intimidated? Wow. I think I would fire my trainer. I can't imagine any trainer feeling intimidated by an old man, in public uniform, who is walking back to his truck.

Shout out to Amy! FIRE YOUR TRAINER. He's a perfect woose.

Matt and Caryn enjoy your time in the woods. I hope the "kids" don't stumble across you.

Not only did they not make money, but now a lot of their private lives are on public record. You gotta hand it to Matt he is not only a complete narcissit but also a complete and utter idiot.

Matt keep trying for that Darwin Award! I know you can win it buddy! Realilze your dream!

Julie said...

"If Matt really meant what he said about being concerned about kids associating LP with those roles, the thing to do, in my opinion, is not complain that LPs are not being cast in those roles. "

Er, no, it's really NOT the thing to do. The thing is, even if LPs aren't being cast in those roles, they are STILL being portrayed in the movie as dwarves. You really think children are going to see those movies and go, "Well, LPs aren't actually playing the dwarves, so I don't associate Little People with magical fantasy creatures anymore!" Really? The characters are still dwarves IN THE MOVIE, and that's the visibility that matters to these kids. So, these kids are going to make those associations regardless, so if you're going to have those roles, the right thing to do is give it to struggling LP actors instead of taking away one of their few shots at Hollywood. No one's saying that those roles are perfect. It is a real issue that LPs (along with other types of minorities) are mainly relegated to stereotypical roles in films... but the solution isn't to just take those roles away and give them to typically sized people instead. What you do is give LPs those roles, let them break into Hollywood, and hope that the exposure helps them get better roles. Like what happened with Peter Dinklage.

And, Rap, no need to get so defensive. (And yes, you ARE being defensive here.) I'm kinda rolling my eyes at your last paragraph there, considering that nowhere in my one-line statement did I imply that I think that Matt's behavior is okay. I just think you made a flawed remark there. It happens. But if it'll make you happy, I'll write it here: I think Matt's a jerk and other things not suitable to write here.

Plus... Matt Roloff doesn't speak for LPs everywhere. Just because he's annoyed at that sort of perception doesn't mean that the outcry over the movie is suddenly some glaring example of hypocrisy on the part of LPs.

Julie said...

Finally, here's the thing. As an Asian, I do not like roles that stereotype my race. I can do without roles that feature Asian women as hypersexualized 'me love you long time' girls and Asian men as sexless, geeky nerds. But writing such a role for an Asian person and THEN casting it with a white person isn't the better option, it's just adding insult to injury. You don't make a screw-up better by adding on top of the initial screw-up. Two wrongs don't make a right here. The ideal thing to do, of course, would be to steer away from writing those cliche roles in the first place, but obviously that doesn't happen.

Giving dwarf roles to non-LP actors is just as bad as casting POC roles with white actors. If you are against the latter, you should be against the former. And if you don't really see a problem with the latter, then that probably explains a lot.

Rap541 said...

Giving dwarf roles to non-LP actors is just as bad as casting POC roles with white actors.

This would be valid if if LPs were actual magical dwarves. Little people are simply regular human beings with genetic/health issues that cause them to be shorter than average.

Dwarves in contrast are fictional magical creatures who may inhabit Middle earth and are not human beings.

While an Asian woman could fit that "me love you long time" temptress stereotype, you're correct in stating that its wrong to assume thats what all Asian women are like.

However, no little person is actually a magical being. See the difference?

Depending on your point of view - the origanal Charlie and the CHocolate Factory was offensive in how it used little people to portray magical beings, the Oompa Loompas - the assumption being short statured = weird magical slave creature. Likewise, an arguement can be made that its actually a bit offensive to intentionally hire short statured LPs to play characters named Dopey, Sneezy and Grumpy, who all live in a tree and mine coal for magical dwarf purposes.

Matt joined the outcry on this film, Matt's also citing how bad the word "midget" is (except of course when he's using it to be cutesy) Sorry, I do see a problem in LPs as a whole complaining that these roles are demeaning and satirizing their existance... but also arguing how unfair it is for filmmakers to find an acceptable work around to hiring little people to play magical stereotypes.

Rap541 said...

Btw Julie, I actually think this is a difficult topic and less clear cut than say how offensive it is to see older movies and tv shows where white people were playing asian and black stereotypes (Gilligan's Island for example had a white man playing the Japanese WW2 soldiers when needed)

The problem is that some little people want it both ways - they rightly don't want to have people thinking that they're magical subhumans, but they also really don't want to give up a nice niche in the movie world.

A better comparison of something actually unfair to little people would be if, for example, the part of Tyrion Lannister in A Game Of Thrones had been filled with an average height person using special effects - because Tyrion is a *little person* not a magical dwarve, but thats not what's happening here.

If it seems like I'm "defensive" itss because I said something almost identical in Matt's general discussion thread, and no one seemed to care... but when it helps derail a discussion away from the actual topic - in this case, how this court case went down... We've found out that Matt and Amy have exaggerated their "home invasion" and stalker concerns, and that things in the Roloff home aren't as hunky dory as Matt likes to tell us.... and yes, sudden derailments around little people and their jobs makes me suspicious. Maybe because it happens whenever the Roloffs are uncomfortable. If thats not the case here, I apologize.

BeckyM said...

This judge was pissed off. IMO he was being testy about having his time wasted or being disrespected in HIS court.

A couple of funny court stories that show judges don't like their courts being disrespected by attorneys:

My brother saw a co-worker's motorcycle get stolen. He was within four feet or closer of the two men who did it. He picked them out, when accompanied by police, at a local bar.

During criminal court, the defense attorney questioned him like he was a child (he was 18), insulting him, and stating that surely he couldn't remember these guys. He also used a common nickname that my brother hates and doesn't use. After some time of this, my brother turned to the judge and said doesn't he have to call me MISTER M****? And the judge commanded the attorney to do so.

2nd court case, my brothers' divorce. His ex-wife's attorney showed up wearing a baseball cap! in the COURTHOUSE! He also demanded a huge fee though the ex never showed up. The judge ripped this guy a new a**hole.

I've been called for jury duty three times, and served once on a criminal case and was a back up on a civil case (which setteled right before it was going to a vote).

Judges don't put up with this sheyat. I think the judge found it ludricous that the Roloff attorney was expecting compensation for a civil court case that THE ROLOFFS brought to court... and IF they got a settlement (which I don't believe they did) it wasn't even enough to cover poor, little ole' lawyer fees. ROFLMAO!!

JMO but that lawyer probably racked up quite a hefty bill for the Roloffs to pay. When you consider the manpower for doing all of it, including all the different charges, trying to snoop out Spiritswander, AND the depositions, yeah it was a pretty penny and trust me well over $100,000.

Obviously the judge knows people like the Roloffs are always looking for an out so he dismissed this case with prejudice to prevent them from wasting the courts time again. JMO.

Podge/Rodge groupie said...

BeckyM, I also picked up on that point and covered it earlier. Although I'm not choosing stars on either side of the legal front because I refuse to say one lawyer is better than another (ugh!!) but the County rightly proved that there was no proof of any constitutional violations, and Judge Mosman (I'm guessing) dud not have any trouble taking everything but the simple trespass to summary judgement. Good for him, says I. I'm waiting for Dana to get on here and claim, ala Roloff v. SAP America, that the judge acted in a very unprofessional manner in her opinion. Pardon my ignorance, but I never thought Dana was a District Court Judge to be able to pass judgement. Maybe just one of those epeople that feel they can, without having themselves judged.
I'll get firm doc. numbers later, but the Roloffs actually amended their original complaint for compensation, and wanted MORE than the first complaint. I think aobut $40,000 more. I see this coming from Matt alone. His cousel acts on his instructions, and he, like many times before, simply could not leave a 'good thing' alone. I site this example as another reason for extra motions, documents, and asmendments that does nothing but wastes the Court's time, and give reason for thinking that this went from a complaint for compensation to out-and-out greed. Much like frivolous subpoenas. Matt really is a horrible actor. He overdid many things in this case, and I doubt he is the least bit embarrassed over any of it. That is unspeakably sad.

BeckyM said...

@ Podge I don't think it's smarter or dumber, it's about lawyers getting in over their head or disrespecting the law/court.

The guy who introduced my husband and I was a real estate lawyer. As a favor to my mom he helped my brother finalize some post divorce issues The fact that the ex's lawyer disrespected the court by walking in with a baseball cap on his head, put that judge in a mood which was the lawyer's own fault. Was he stupid or smart? I know he was dumb about legal protocol and the power of the judge.

When it comes to the Roloff lawyer if a judge gives a JUDGEMENT you STFU. Arguing with the judge, showing displeasure, trying to quote the judge on law is going to get your ass whopped in a big way.

I've had plenty of new glasses. They only make you dizzy if you move your head sharply so was the lawyer dancing about on a pogo stick?

Knowing the Matt that we all do, I'm sure Matt (bull-headed, arrogant asshole) thought he was going to get one over on the state and pushed the lawyer to file all this crap. Lawyer probably offered some advice that Matt said he "knew better" and thus they ended up where they were - all due to MATT who wanted some EASY MONEY.

Excuse me if I laugh my ass off about his easy money while I read all these juicy details about his troubled marriage, fixation on his assistant, and his Napoleon sized ego. The only one that ended up with Easy Money was Matt's Lawyer!

BeckyM said...

Another law case that I'm familiar with so Matt read this one very very closely....

Over 60 acres owned and used for a horse farm facility. Was open to the boarders of horses. Person walks across property and twists their foot in a hole. They broke their leg, sued and WON. Even though my state has a Equine Liability Act and this person was on the property without permission.

2nd case, friend walked across horse property and twisted ankle in hole. Insurance paid up for her injury and it was settled quickly and quietly.

That is why you have PROPERTY INSURANCE... so Matt Wake the F* Up. Your' liable for the lady's injury and it's only a question of HOW MUCH she will get. People on juries are HAPPY to award CASH to people that are injured and will do so at the drop of a hat!

Let's summarize how stupid you are Matt...

* You state you and especially Amy have substantially changed due to Incident, yet show no proof that you have lost income, lost ability to work, and/or developed any psychological symptoms as documented by a professional.

* Tapping of said Incident shows that Amy was not in fear of her life and was surronded by people she trusted (Chris C and crew).

* You state this was personal persecution - court documents show otherwise.

You owe a nice fat lawyers fee and we, the people, get to read about what...?

*complete control of the television show so no more excuses or playing games about how "you aren't as depicted", "we don't know the real Matt" etc... etc...

* Amy and you have substantiated martial problems.

* You have something going with Caryn.

* You have puffed up the Roloff paid talk circuit to be more then it really is. And you are no diversity speaker - just a dwarf speaker.

* You have no brakes on your behavior.

* You are an idiot.

Rap541 said...

So enough time has passed that yeah, I have to find it odd and unusual that we haven't seen a rush of "God bless Matt, you haters!" postings and indeed its very surprisingly that no one has made the "the judge was classless and probably hates little people!" arguement but I am amused that Matt Roloff hasn't stood up and crowed like cock of the walk over how he won.

You know what I am talking about - telling us how happy he is with the result, implying but never stating any factual content... Matt sure crowed and crowed how he was a man standing up against the government when he was proudly and *vocally* telling everyone how his constitutional rights were being eroded in such an interesting way... I mean there were multiple interviews!

Funny how Matt hasn't had time in the last two months to tell his fans how his case - you know, the one he was fighting mad about and whipped his fans up about - came out. I guess he's just been too busy, huh?

And now that the case is done with prejudice attached, I am pretty sure Matt could stand up like a man and explain why he subpeoned Spirit and why he found issuing subpeonas just so much fun he found time to twitter over it (but bless us is too busy! to mention how the case resolved!)

He could. But he won't. If Matt doesn't win, Matt sure shuts his mouth, doesn't he? Lil FYI Matt, that's kind of why braying like an ass isn't always wise. Why so silent Matt?

And Matt fans, your silence here is deafening and expected. Be sure to remember that the next time you want to see someone eat crow :)

BeckyM said...

Well Rap, personally I'm enjoying the quiet. :D

I think it was Matt who wanted this lawsuit, not necessarily Amy. I know there's a lot of Amy-hate out there but I really don't think she's the exhibitionist that Matt is. If I had been in her shoes, I would have just wanted this entire incident to fade away.

BTW I was reading a different blog and someone said reality shows are the 21st century version of the Victorian Freak Show. How right they are.

Jason said...

The Roloffs...what a family of hypocrites.

Sue for $200,000 because of trespassing.

Meanwhile, Jeremy and his girlfriend are on Twitter laughing about how they love trouncing around behind "No trespassing" signs and how they pay no attention to them at all.

Typical Roloffs. Trespass against us and it's a violation that wrecks our lives and causes severe emotional distress....but hey our kids and their friends do it to other people's property, hey ain't that cute??

Rap541 said...

Becky, the longer the quiet goes on, the more I enjoy it, because it confirms my theory.

Personally, I think Amy got excited by the idea of a lawsuit. I think Matt saw it as his way to yet again let us all know what a precious little victim he's been, standing tall as he's mistreated and torn down by these wicked, *wicked* county types. That's why I harped on the "I want to say it was Kofi" stuff because really, if you're literally making a federal case over it, at least know who was oppressing you.

Jason - I honestly hope the lesson the Roloff kids take away from this is that people will treat them the way they treat others.

Dana said...

It is disappointing how the Judge ruled on some issues in the case.

However, the important thing to take from this is Matt accomplished what he wanted.

The County will think twice before violating the rights of the Roloffs and trespassing onto their private property.

Matt said he didn't do this for the money. To think that Matt is devastated because he didn't get awarded the money is flawed. He said he didn't bring the lawsuit for the money.

He did it because of the important issue that Government shouldn't have the power to invade on the rights of private citizens.

To the people comparing Jeremy's and Audrey's playful comments over pictures of signs. You are misguided. There is no comparison. Matt and Amy's issue was over Government trespassing onto their private property for inspections. Not two Christians standing in field of a farm.

Vic Rattlehead said...


Matt didn't achieve a thing or prove a point other than he's a petty small minded little man who blames the world for all of his problems.

All he achieved was getting a meaningless paper verdict that will leave him with precisely nothing because his lawyers will take all of it to cover the fees they charged him to pursue this farcical course of action.

Other than that all he did was waste the counties time and money with a frivolous legal action that should have been thrown out by the courts sight unseen.

Rap541 said...

Dana, Matt got nothing he wanted out of this, don't you understand? EVery claim that actually had to do with his rights was dismissed. He started this with an apology from the county and thats what he's leaving with, a year and a half later. The county didn't violate his 4th ammendment rights, or his right to due process or his civil rights. They can and will continue to inspect his property. When asked, Matt couldn't come up with any examples of this ever happening before on the farm. Everything that was about Matt's rights was found in favor of the County.

So if it wasn't about the money, and every aspect of the case that was about Matt's rights was dismissed AGAINST Matt, what exactly did Matt win? In the case that didn't go to trial? Because Matt proudly settled, and agreed to the summary judgement where all of his rights issues were dismissed and the simple trespass case was dismissed with prejudice?

Oh, btw Dana, because ALL of the rights issues were dismissed, the one remaining count of simple trespass is about a guy fence hopping just like cutesy cute Jeremy and Audrey, you know, the two Christians you cheerfully excuse from lawbreaking with "Well, they're Christian so everyone needs to shut up and be violated".

Kyle said...

I'm actually glad Dana revealed her kool-aid opinion. I needed a bit of humor today. I love to see how blindly clueless some people can be. Hahaha "two christians standing in a field' I gotta use that next time."

'Yes, officer I was doing 45mph in a 25mph school zone, but I'm just a Christian sitting behind the wheel. Dana told me it absolves me of all lawbreaking!'

BeckyM said...

Now Rap you can't expect Dana to understand what happened in the court documents? I mean come'on that law-talk is way too complicated for a Christian woman, whose prime purpose as handed down to her by her right-wing preacher man, is to push out a baby while she hands a beer to her man whose on the couch watching football.

On Amy, from reading how she answered questions, no, I really don't think she wanted to pursue this in court. Her answers seem evasive, subdued and from what Spirits told me via email, just not effusive.

I also think Amy is a bit smarter then Matt. You'd have to an absolute moron (**cough**) not to see that you didn't lay groundwork to prove loss of income or psychological distress before bring such a ridiculous lawsuit.

It's Matt, typical narcissist who was braying like an arrogant boastful ass during the depositions, who struck me as the person who thought he would win (just like his "look at me" crap during his alcohol driving related trial).

BeckyM said...

@ Dana I usually try not to engage the cray-cray that live under the bridge talking to the empty air... but just out of curiousity are you a Twitter friend of Jeremy's?

Don't worry I don't twit or use facebook (so keep trying to find me Matt my boy) so I won't look you up or anything. I don't stalk folks on the web.

However, I'm just vaguely interested to know since you are so supportive of him and seem to think like his chosen religion, are you one of his Twitter or Facebook friends? Do you have one-on-one conversations with him via electronic media? Do you two praise Jesus together? Do you attend his church?

It sounds like you two would have a lot in common. No reason why he wouldn't put you down as a twit-friend or a give-up-your-privacy-facebook friend.

kelly said...

As a devout Christian, i have to agree with Dana that there is no comparison between what the inspector did and Jeremy and his girlfriend 'fencehopping'. The inspector, while overzealous, was attempting to do his job as best he could. This honors God. Jeremy & co were blatently offending God by breaking the law for 'fun', since as Christians, we are commanded to obey the laws of the land unless they break Gods law. What Jeremy does isnt cute and most certainly isnt Christian.

Rap541 said...

Not two Christians standing in field of a farm.

Please explain why Christians have a God Given Right to trespass, Dana. You're making the point - not two kids, two CHRISTIANS have the right to ignore no trespassing signs, and commit simple trespass. Dana - please explain how GOD says "If you're Christian, screww the signs! You're Christian so do as you please.., and to HELL with the property owners!"

Dana - what if the property owners that Jeremy and Audrey violate are Christian? DO CHRISTIANS have the right to tell CHRISTIANS to not tresopass?


Because really, they're both grown adults and in theory they both can read - why aren't they on the hook for following man's law?

Lynn C said...

I can't believe what I'm reading here.

Vilifying Jeremy and his girlfriend over harmless comments and a picture?

Before anybody exaggerates this into something it isn't, let me remind you this is the picture Jeremy posted that started all of this.

Rap541 said...

Lynn - "fence hopping" is simple trespass. After we shake out all of the complaints that were dismissed, thats all Wheeler was guilty of, simple trespess, hopping the fence and ignoring a sign that said no trespassing. Audrey and Jeremy are amusingly mocking about "fence hopping" and how signs "mean nothing". If Jeremy and Audrey fence hop, to you, Lynn, are they committing a crime? Or are they two Christians being Christian? Dana's already established her opinion that its not illegal to fence hop past a no trespassing sign *if yer Christian* - is that your opinion as well?

TML said...

Your beliefs don't make you a good person, Your behavior does. Period.

Rap541 said...

To be honest Becky, I found how Amy answered questions a bit evasive as well. I think the lawsuit sounded like a good idea at the time, when her rage was still up, but yes, I think she realized that they were making a mountain out of a molehill and would end up revealing a lot about their private lives.

For example, if Amy geniunely doesn't know where the farm tours go... that is a bit contrary to how involved Amy is in the business. Its also a big oddity in that people who are desperate to maintain their privacy have no idea where the public is being taken on the tours... but thats just me.

The whole rigamorale of privacy just amazes me. Honestly, there's an easy way to live a private life. Stop doing the show.

Oh wait, that would mean giving up all the perks and the money. And even though Matt insists he was a millionaire before the show* I'm utterly positive from reading the court docs that the show cancellation had a significant impact on the Roloff income.

But enough. Did everyone note that on the record the Roloffs aren't about tolerating differences, they're about *appreciating* differences?

So, Matt and Amy, when you're *appreciating* differences and standing up for others to appreciate your differences, do you appreciate the differences in a same sex married couple? Or should they change to suite you since you don't appreciate their differences?

BeckyM said...

@ TML yep.

In my considerable experience of living in the heart of the Bible Belt, people who shout they are Devout Christians are usually ripping someone off, cheating on their spouse, have a second "family", or embezzling money.

8 million dollars lost by my former Devout Christian employers when they filed bankruptcy to avoid paying the money they legally lended as well as to avoid paying lawsuits against them.

Ex-inlaw - the preacher who had the second family - with kids all the same ages as his legal kids, and the lakehouse and boat bought by embezzeled church funds.

So Lynn and Dana how do you live by God's word? What charities do you support? How much money do tithe (the expected 10%?)? What Missions have you gone on? What soup kitchen do you work at? How often do you visit church seniors to help them with yardwork or cleaning their house? How often do you attend church - twice weekly I hope.

What church office do you serve? What cemetary do you clean on rememberance days? How often have you teach Sunday School?

And of course you NEVER bear false witness, never lie, never drink, never swear... right??? Because that is living your life by God's word.

Devout means something to people who really are so answer those questions or STFU about how you are superior due to your devout Christianity.

BeckyM said...

@ Rap, we all do things in our anger, which I understand.

The real issue IMO is that this should have been settled in mediation. Although inspectors had been on the property before, Matt admits they had no real issue requiring law enforcement, filing charges or complaining to a superior. When this happened, mediation should have been requested to ensure that all parties were on the same agreement on how to enter the property.

This would have kept Matt and Amy's life private and may have resulted in better treatment in the future by the county to the Roloffs.

But Matt saw $$$$ and thought the county would settle out of court due to Who-He-IS!! No Cigar, Matt.

traci said...

All this talk about the Roloffs being Christians make me wonder how long it's been since Matt and Amy said the Lord's Prayer. You know, the part about "forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us." I also wonder if Matt think Jeremy owes $200,000 for every time Jeremy 'jumped a fence'. Do you think Matt will ever address this point?

Rap541 said...

I agree Becky, except that what I think Matt was looking for wasn't so much the pay day - although I am positive they were expecting more than they got - but the injunction against the county inspectors coming on the land. Essentially he wanted to be deemed hands off. Now, since he didn't prove any of his claims, he didn't get that injunction... and I am curious how this will affect his other county interactions since he's got another court case looming.

Rap541 said...

Traci, based on numerous incidents over the years with examples of all of the family members, I suspect we'd get a variation of this. Whatever it is, it's Jeremy/Zach/Jake showing what a great all around active kid he is, and what he did, no matter what it was, was really so minor only negative nellies who hate and who are extremely jealous of the Roloffs money and also extremely jealous that they are too old/fuddy duddy/pc to be doing what Jeremy/Jake/Zach did. Then, if the Roloffs are caught out complaining about something similar, Amy will very sternly huff on her face book how it is not the same, how people do not understand how they are not behaving in a hypocritical fashion and she will then declaure "I need to be done with this!" and stomp off. If the issue is raised again, Matt and Amy will then cite whoever is raising it to be incapable of dealing with very minor things and grown ups put a period on things and never raise the subject again.

Unless, of course, its a Roloff... then, like Matt in his deposition, you can rail again and again how you're always being extorted and how you never complain (except when you do) and how people just look at you and laugh manically thinking "Ah HA! Another dwarf to treat like trash!"

Because when there's a complaint about a Roloff, its always because the complainer is a prejudiced hater who hates and is jealous. Roloffs aren't, bless us, perfect, and they don't claim to be perfect, but they are never wrong, and anyone with a complaint about a Roloff is a hater who hates and is jealous.

Kyle said...

What I find most interesting is that the Roloffs were so emotionally scarred and deeply affected by one elderly county inspector on their property that they now allow an entire TV show, Grimm, with probably a hundred crew members and dozens of cars and trucks to "camp on our farm for past 4 days." This came straight from Matt's own Facebook on June 27! 0_o

Brandon said...

Kyle, great point.

Rap541 said...

I suspect, Kyle, that if you ask permission to have several dozen cars and trucks and a hundred crew men camping on the parking lot that is behind the fence where once you're behind the fence, you're on a distnctly private, zealously guarded intimate area of the Roloff home.... I bet it is ok.

And unmentioned in Matt's bragging how his place is essentially being used as a parking lot is the reality that Grimm's production is most likely paying for that priveledge*... Funny how Matt presents it as Matt and Amy just giving back to the community!

*I don't begrudge the Roloffs making a few bucks this way in the slightest, I mean, why not, but please understand they most likely have a formal contract and are not opening their private sanctuary out of the goodness of their hearts.

Rap541 said...

Oh and hey, still not a word from Matt on how this went down even though he has time to tell us how he's super awesome for looking at pipes for sale.

Hey Matt, you clearly have time... care to share any thoughts on how you're a *fighter* and stood up for yourself? :)

We're all waiting, and no, not letting Matt Roloff *the fighter* off the hook on this one :)

Dave said...

Let's face it....the inspector should have dug deep into his pocket and pulled out $300 (or whatever it is) and said he was on one of their "special" tours.....I guess the one where you meet the family, see the various playsets up close and also get a lapdance....

Matt would have pocketed it and it would have never been mentioned again....

Private Dancer said...

But Amy gave him a lapdance for free! Tee hee!

Dave said...

Yes, she did.....hmmmmm, maybe the inspector has a lawsuit to file....

Rap541 said...

Hey Matt baby!

Got anything to say about your settlement? You don't need to post a photo to have a little sitddown with your facebook fans and explain how you were a *fighter* and stood up for yourself by taking that settlement after all your constitutional claims were dismissed against you. :)

You aren't *bragging* about how proud of yourself you are. And Matt, we all know you like to tell us how you win and win... it sure is weird that you aren't crowing like the cock of the walk how you showed the county how *wrong* they were.

Matt? Why so quiet Matt? You were successful weren't you? You didn't want any money right? Why aren't you proud of settling on the simple trespass and losing on all the other claims? Why aren't you telling us how you stood up for yourself?

You've certainly had time to ineffectually whine about how people who don't think Jeremy is a success are unsuccessful losers... funny that you have time to yet again declare yourself a victim (though of course you're never quite brave enough to provide any real details, funny that) and bask in the "oh gosh and golly Matt, you're the best ever, how dare anyone not kiss your ass!" comments and you sure didn't hesitate to tell us all how much *fun* subpeonas were....

Oh and Amy "Mama Bear" Roloff, you're not off the hook either. Seems you both had a whole lot to say about this when you were winning. Now, as Roloffs always do when they lose, you're slinking off and will no doubt soon cry to the skies about your precious privacy and how you lost because everyone involved just hates little people. Poor poor victims, when the Roloffs aren't winning, they're always precious little victims who don't want to say a word.

Who wants to bet we never hear a word from Matt and Amy on how the case resolved? Because that's the Roloff way - if you lose, you sulk like a poor sport and pretend it never ever happened.

Kyle said...

No need to goad, Rap.

Rap541 said...

Oh throw me a bone, Kyle. :)

Matt was a mighty big man when he was throwing down how much *fun* he was having serving subpeonas. And he didn't hesitate to cry to everyone who would listen how he was *angry* and he was a *fighter* and he was suing for his rights.

Why is the end of the case such hush hush never speak of it again topic if, as the Christian set tells us (Dana et al) that Matt won and is perfectly happy with losing on all of the constitutional claims, and it wasn't about money so all Matt really wanted and is *happy with* is the acknowledgement that WHeeler trespassed and the county is sorry.

Because really, he had that before this all started, and he subpoened SPirit (and LOST) over that and I think Matt is a man who runs from tough questions. Here's a tough one for Matt - stand up like a man and answer, Matty Matt - Why exactly did you subpoena Spirit when its blindingly obvious from the court documents that there was no reason behind it?

Was it for spite? Hey Matt, why did subpoening people make you post your glee on twitter? Hat had you rolling? Are you rolling over it now? Why so quiet when you're man who answers the tough questions?

The silence is as always, deafening.

sassenach said...

No new comments for weeks now.

Seems like interest in the wonderful (in their minds) Roloffs is waning.

I wonder how Matt's ego is handling this?

Rap541 said...

Sassnnach to keep with my theme here, I notice from Matt's facebook that he's had time to vacay to Maui but bless us, no time at all to have a chat about the lawsuit that he settled in May. Funny...Matt sure was loud about starting the process... Since I am told by the big fans Dana etc that Matt is extremely happy about how this resolved, I really do not understand how we're not seeing Matt tell us how awesome he is and just what a great job he did defending himself and winning!

Oh wait, he essentially lost and when a Roloff loses , they shut up and don't say a word.

More on point, the show is essentially over and there's just not much left to say. There's nothing extraordinary going on - just Matt and Amy taking seperate vacations, Amy with Jake and Molly and Matt alone in Maui (Funny how family vacations only happen when someone else is paying and when it's on Matt's dime, he's perfectly content to "bach it" and leave the wife and kids at home) The reality is that Matt and Amy aren't parlaying the show into something more.

sassenach said...

Thanks for the info Rap.
You are so right. Expensive family vacations when TLC was paying. Now the ever selfish Matt is off enjoying himself on his own.
Some things never change.

John in the UK said...

Speaking as a former barrister in the civil division of London's central court (The Old Bailey) I can say without a doubt that a case like the Roloff's would have been summarily thrown out of court by a judge here in the UK due to abuse of the judicial process.

They quite clearly never had a leg to stand on yet they proceeded with wasting the court's time so they could sponge off the public tit.

They're quite clearly nothing more than greedy sponging wankers looking to make a few easy quid that they don't deserve.