Wednesday, December 12, 2012

Little People, Big World: Wedding Farm Roloff Episode Television Ratings December 11, 2012

For the first time in a long time, Little People, Big World failed to crack the top 100 cable shows for the evening of Tuesday December 11, 2012. has the Top 100 Cable Shows for Dec 11, 2012. Little People, Big World: Wedding Farm on TLC didn't make the cut.


Kyle said...

I dont recall getting top 100 number placings for other LPBWs. Do they only release # of viewers and the rating if it's a top 100 show?

Jack "N" Orry said...

It's pretty funny that a crappy Hallmark Channel movie of the week got better ratings than the Roloff's. This will hopefully spell then end of TLC's continued interest in them.

Jocelynn said...

Kyle, like Spirits said, usually LPBW is in the top 100 cable shows for the night.

TV By The Numbers website only reports the top 100.

BeckyM said...

Wow. Just wow.

So TLC really got took by Matt to the bank. How is Amy's cookbook doing ob sales? Bargain table yet?

Justin said...

BeckyM, you're right about that.

This Amy Winter chick that's the head of TLC is a moron.

Did you see her quotes about how TLC will always love the Roloffs and she always wants the Roloffs to be apart of the TLC family?

She doesn't do much for the reputation of women as network exectives. lol.

I know, let's take a fake family, that stopped being interesting 5 years ago. Let's not have the show be about anything personal, let's give them control of editing and let's make the show a staged farce about weddings with the same tired format.

Does that sound like great television?

Apparently Amy Winter thinks so!

Justin2 said...

You people fail to realize that the Roloffs did sign a contract with TLC to film a full season, which ended up being their last. TLC made the decision to cut the season AFTER the fact that the Roloffs had already signed the contract. Thus there are basically only two options TLC had..either pay the Roloffs the rest of the money they had agreed to pay them in the original contract for the season straight out, or find something the Roloffs could do to finish up their contract. Otherwise TLC would be breaching their own contract. So TLC obviously chose the latter to go with which is why there were update shows and this wedding farm version of LPBW.
If TLC didn't find something for the Roloffs, they would end up owing the family much more than what their original contract stated. So for people wondering why the Roloffs are still on TV...that's basically the reason why.

Jocelynn said...

Justin2, I won't pretend to be an expert in reality television contracts, but from what I've heard reality television "stars" are bottom of the barrel.

Some people advise against ever signing with a network because they have no rights.

I find it hard to believe that networks don't have the out to drop "talent" when a show tanks or begins to tank and not pay them, much like NFL teams cut players when they start to go downhill. Once they make the decision, they don't need to pay them anymore.

I find it very hard to believe that reality tv contracts are guaranteed payment.

From what I've heard, they don't even get paid until the episodes airs.

Rap541 said...

Justin2 - the first question I'm going to ask you is the same one that I get when we discuss the Roloffs contract... usually with a snide "Rap knows nothing about contracts" - namely, have you actually seen the contract between the Roloffs and TLC?

Second, I freely admit, what I am about to say is me extrapolating based on comments made by the Roloffs, and based on knowledge of other tv shows.

In April of 2010 Matt interviewed that the family had no intention of ending the ending the show any time soon. In July of 2010, Matt was interviewing that the show would go one for two more years. There was some talk that it was an 80 episode contract with 20 guaranteed episodes.

There's two versions of why the show was canceled. The first is that the Roloffs in November of 2009 wanted off the show. In this version of events - rather than simply end the show at season five, the Roloffs chose to sign an eighty episode contract with the understanding that really, they just wanted to wrap up loose ends.

I personally don't believe this version, but please understand, this is the version that came from the horse's mouths, Matt and Amy Roloff.

The other version is that TLC decided to renew the show but then considered the ratings and decided to only film a half season - the minimum they were under contract to do. Travel budgets were slashed, and the show was over.

Justin - here's why I don't believe your version, that the Roloffs are due MORE if they don't film. It simply goes against everything we know about reality tv or even regular tv. It also goes against what we know about the Roloffs.

TLC is not the greatest channel, but they aren't going to sign a contract with reality stars that reads "If we cancel the show, we have to pay you MORE than if we filmed and aired all the episodes" (and realistically, I can't see the Roloffs cheerfully saying "film us and pay us less" which is what you're suggesting) I also find it hard to believe that TLC would lock themselves into any show the way you're suggesting they've done. Jocelynn is correct - reality shows don't pay until the episode airs (I think even Matt has acknowledged that) and this wasn't TLC's first time at the rodeo.

Then we have the fact that Matt brayed like an ass about how he wanted to be done in multiple interviews. Do you honestly think that if the Roloffs attempted to pursue suing TLC for breaking their contract (which I don't think happened to begin with, since the 20 guaranteed episodes out of eighty were filmed) that TLC wouldn't um.. gently remind Matt that he insisted in various news venues that he wanted out and was happy to be done? Because the Roloffs wanting out and saying we quit - which is their official story, remember, means the Roloffs breached the contract first.

Justin2 said...

Rap what I'm suggesting is that TLC signed a legally binding contract with the Roloff family. If TLC decided to not pay the Roloffs the amount they agreed to for however many episodes they agreed to, the Roloffs could've sued for breach of contract. Thus, TLC would've ended up having to pay more than what they originally wanted to to the Roloff family. You said that the original idea was 80 episodes with 20 guaranteed and that 20 had already been filmed. Regardless of whether they were ever shown on tv or not, TLC would've had to pay the Roloffs that amount of money because the Roloffs fulfilled their end of the deal. There's no such contract ever that says "we're only going to pay you IF we decide to show it on TV." That just makes no sense if the subjects had already put work into the episodes and the episodes were filmed already. That's just like saying TLC doesn't pay their film crews until episodes are aired...that just doesn't happen. Or us going to work and the boss saying "Well we are going to pay you only if we like your work and not for the actual work that you do everday."
I believe Matt said they get paid per episode that they film..not per episode that is aired....

But no I don't believe the Roloffs decided to cut the final season on their own. That is more a decision that TLC made than the Roloffs did I believe. Afterall, if the Roloffs wanted to end the season so bad then why would they agree to do all these other shows? That would again make no sense at all.

Jocelynn you mentioned the NFL. I don't know how many times I've heard on the local news that when the Dallas Cowboys let a main gameday talent go, and whether they sign with another team or not, they still pay that player the rest of the contract that was agreed to. My case and point is Terrell Owens. When the Cowboys let him go because of his antics, they were still paying him even though he signed to be with another team.
Contracts are legally binding documents and no matter what organization or network a person signs with, that company DOES NOT want to end of having to pay that person more than what they originally agreed to.

Rap541 said...

"There's no such contract ever that says "we're only going to pay you IF we decide to show it on TV." "

Yeah... have you looked at other reality shows? Because its a common enough complaint that I simply don't believe you that there's no such contract. It's been an industry practice of reality shows for a while.

Sporting contracts are much different.

The 20 out of 80 I am refering to are the 20 episodes of season six. What you're describing just doesn't make sense - there is no way a network signs people to two seasons worth of episodes without a loophole to cancel in reasonable circumstances. As in, you're suggesting that TLC canceled the show even though they knew it would cost them more than to film.

And I don't believe the Roloffs wanted off but understand, you're suggesting that they're willingly filming shows "to fulfill the contract" when TLC *in theory* would owe them MORE money if they just accepted cancellation.

I mean really, if we know anything about the Roloffs, its that they like money. If they have an opportunity to not film and TLC has to pay them MORE because of the contract... why would they be filming at all?

Justin2 said...

Please point out a difference between any contract whether its television, sports or anything else. Contracts are contracts. They are there to insure that the employer gets the work they want and the employee gets paid for the work they do, NOT the employer getting their work and the employee getting paid only if the company chooses to. What you are implying Rap makes no bit of sense.
I'm not suggesting what you are saying. All's I'm saying is that you said TLC gave the Roloffs 20 guaranteed episodes with a possible 80 in total. TLC decided to end the season short AFTER the Roloffs had signed their contract and after the 20 episodes had already been filmed. You're suggesting that somehow TLCs contracts are supposedly different than everybody else's and they only pay their talent IF they choose to air the episodes instead of paying their talent based on the work they put into the show. Again it makes no sense. You don't get paid only if your boss likes your work do you? No. You get paid for the work that you do, regardless of whether the boss likes it or not and has you redo it.

The Roloffs filmed 20 episodes (according to you) BEFORE TLC decided to pull the plug so the Roloffs were entitled to the money owed to them for those 20 episodes regardless if they were never shown on TV.
I'm saying TLC would've had to pay the Roloffs more IF AND ONLY IF they didn't pay the Roloffs the money they originally agreed to for the said 20 episodes they had already filmed even if they were never shown because the Roloffs had already put work into filming it (keeping their end of the contract) and could've sued TLC for breach of contract for not paying them for it.

Contracts all work the same regardless of what industry a person is in. I'm not saying there's no way TLC can't cancel a show after signing a contract with talent because that's ultimately their decision has happens everyday. What I'am saying is that the network and other companies do have to fulfill their end of the contract and pay for the work that's already been done and/or for any amount they agreed to for the length of that contract.

Rap541 said...

Justin2 - do you understand that I agree with you, a contract is a contract?

My point is that clauses like "we can cancel this show and not pay you in circumstances x, y, and z" can be written into contracts - and *commonly are* in order to avoid exactly what you're suggesting - signing people to an eighty episode contract and having to pay them despite the fact that the ratings went south.

If the Roloffs signed an 80 episode, two season contract - which all of Matt's bluster suggests - the clause the Roloffs had was that they were guaranteed to film at least 20. And that's actually a pretty generous clause in the contract because there's plenty of reality shows that don't do that. TLC though, also will have clauses to protect itself. What if say, Matt *died* at episode 21? Do you seriously think the show wouldn't have been canceled and more seriously, do you think the rest of the family would be paid for episodes unfilmed and unaired?

I think BeckyM had a link to the guy who wrote the book on how Kate Gosselin was a horrible woman and he included copies of their contract with TLC and it was EYE OPENING how TLC protects itself from having to pay out.

What I am suggesting about sports contracts is that its an entirely separate field - that Terrell Owens gets paid despite his bad behavior is because that's something offered in sports contracts. Point me to the reality show that pays people for episodes that aren't filmed or never air. That's actually a sly way of agreeing with your point, btw, that a contract is a contract - if TLC says in the contract "you get paid when the episode airs" - all they have to do is NOT film and they don't have to pay.

You're also ignoring the public statements of the Roloffs - which while probably not true - would still be used against them in a court of law. If they are somehow attempting to force TLC to film all eighty episodes (I don't believe that - the new episodes are based on new contracts) of the old contract... I somehow sense if TLC didn't want to pay out, that they might raise the issue of the Roloffs crying how they wanted out and how they asked for the show to end.

For the record I don't think Matt would have made those face saving comments about wanting the show to end if he thought for a minute he could force TLC to pay him for all 80 episodes.

Justin2 said...

It looks as though we basically agree to an extent:)

My comparison between Terrell Owens and reality shows was simply to make this point...if TLC did decide to cut LPBW before those 20 episodes, which were guaranteed in the contract, then TLC could've been sued for breach of contract if 1)they didn't find the Roloffs something to do to fill that void or 2) didn't pay the Roloffs that money for the rest of 20 episode contract because it had already been guaranteed to the Roloffs.