Our frequent episode reviewer, Rap541, graciously decided to submit an article about the recent Duck Dynasty controversy where one of the stars of the show, Phil Robertson, made some very anti-gay remarks during a magazine interview. Rap dissects the similarities or differences between the Duck Dynasty family and the Roloff family when it comes to being upfront and honest about their beliefs.
Written by Rap541
The Duck Dynasty thing has been amusing the hell out of me. I don’t really watch the show any more. I tried the first season and while it was funny at times, it was also really repetitive and really staged. I also am not shocked by Phil Robertson’s recent comments because a) it was pretty obvious that the family was right wing b) I was curious and found some of Phil’s sermons because someone told me he was a brimstone and fire preacher and he is and btw CNN has a clip where he pretty clearly is not “love the sinner hate the sin” about it and c)because Phil has been mouthing off in prior interviews that he isn’t happy. One of the reasons Duck Dynasty never made it on to my view list is that I didn’t care for Phil and his views on women and on anyone who doesn’t live the way he does. Sorry, but the yuppie bitching and the disdain for anything that isn’t hunting just got old too quick for me.
So it wasn’t a surprise to me when Phil interviewed that gay people were the moral equivalent of terrorists, “pre-entitlement blacks” never told him (a white man in the early sixties) that they were unhappy, or that “Shintos” bombed Pearl Harbour - the last just makes me sad because despite the schtick, Phil has a master’s degree and should really know the reasons why the Japanese entered the war (a lil hint, it wasn’t about their godliness, it was about oil) because frankly, its not well hidden. This quote from one of Phil’s sermons – “Women with women, men with men, they committed indecent acts with one another, and they received in themselves the due penalty for their perversions. They’re full of murder, envy, strife, hatred. They are insolent, arrogant, God-haters. They are heartless, they are faithless, they are senseless, they are ruthless. They invent ways of doing evil." Is easy to find and yes, Christians, this is a Christian judging others… But it did surprise me that people really didn’t know because they are pretty clear about what they are.
Where am I going with this? It is no surprise that the Robertson family has fundamentalist Christian beliefs. In fact, some of the criticism that A&E is facing is that they’re just now having a problem with the Robertson family’s religious views. I posted about this on my live journal, describing the Robertsons as anti-gay and virulently Christian and… My pal Andrew posts:
“So when do Matt and Amy show up?”
Which made me laugh but I corrected pal Andrew with:
“Dude, those two *wish* they had the Duck Dynasty audience”
Pal Andrew snarks back with:
“That's both true and mean. Ha, ha, ha!”
Here’s the thing. It IS true. Let me explain.
I don’t particularly care for the Robertsons and their viewpoints on various topics but I really can’t say that they aren’t loud and proud about them. If you ask Phil Robertson his view on homosexuals, he apparently will on record state he thinks they are going to hell and are God haters. Please see the above quote from his *sermon* on the topic.
Do you think a member of the Roloff family would ever give that firm of a statement on their religious views? Really?
Not a friend, not one of the many anonymous buddies who let us know just how much Jeremy James Roloff loves the views of the Solid Rock church and thinks gays are going to hell, much like his beloved pal John Mark Comer.
Jeremy Roloff's favorite Pastor, John Mark Comer of the Solid Rock
Church in Portland, OR, (a Church that the entire Roloff family have
attended) has given sermons that Jeremy has shared and recommended
where he describes gay people as having a perversion and being broken
in their soul. He recommends a website, portlandfellowship.com , which
converts gay people into being "straight".
Does anyone think Jeremy will ever say that? How about Molly and her love of Kirk Cameron’s stance on homosexuals?
Shortly after Kirk Cameron's controversial comments on CNN's
"Piers Morgan Tonight" where he said gay peoplewere ultimately
destructive for civilization, Molly expressed her support of Kirk Cameron
to her friends. However, none of the Roloffs have ever went on the record
(16 year old Jacob has been the closest) to say exactly what they think publicly. This
leads many feeling that the Roloffs are intentionally being deceptive so they
don't jeopardize their careers as paid public diversity speakers.
How about Amy and her “I like some of the message but not all of the message” stuff where she never actually outlines what part of the message she doesn’t like?
As much as I don’t like Phil’s views on religion, I sure can’t accuse him of hiding those views now can I? Christian fans of the Roloffs – and I assume a few of you like and agree with Phil’s views – do you really think the Roloffs are in agreement with Phil?
Because I am fairly amused that the Roloffs, who so many *anonymously* insist are in accord with fundamentalist values haven’t come down on the side of the oppressed Robertson clan. Well, let me be honest, I am not surprised in the slightest that the Roloffs are shutting their mouths on this one. When it comes to saying anything other than “We’re diversity speakers, we want all people to *appreciate* (not tolerate, *appreciate*) each other’s differences and yes we attend a church that advocates that gays are going to hell and can be cured of being gay but we are under no obligation to say whether we agree with our church or not because that’s private and our privacy is so very precious” – well, members of the Roloff clan don’t like direct questions about their faith, now do that?
It’s funny also, that there’s really never been any anonymous friends who have braved the trend here to insist that the Roloffs are secretly *liberal* and actually hold moderate views. No, that has never happened. It’s always, *always* anonymous friends letting us know how *Christian* and *anti-homosexual* the Roloffs are. At which point, the part of the fanbase that this pleases starts to harp on how the Roloffs always stand tall on their morals and principles as shown by well, their attendance at church events where praying out the gay is preached, Amy listing Focus on the Family in her links for a while, Matt’s cute little references to Focus on the Family on his facebook, their fairly open support of anti-gay marriage political candidates, Jeremy and how he loves the views espoused by the Solid Rock church. When I wonder out loud why the Roloffs themselves never want to speak out on how proud they are to support traditional marriage, no one ever really wants to answer. And when people likewise ask why the Roloffs never speak on this topic in a definitive way…. There’s usually an anon who rushes to explain that even though the Roloffs are diversity speakers, as long as they never ever say what their views are, and even though everyone who knows them knows they are against gay marriage, no one can actually hold them accountable for having an opinion at all.
Amy Roloff originally linked the controversial group
Focus On The Family, who is arguably best known
for their opposition to gay rights, on her official
website. She removed the link to replace it with
her own Charity Foundation link.
Have you noticed that they’re not coming out in support of the Robertsons?
Let me explain. Unlike the Robertsons, the Roloffs aren’t actually independently wealthy. To be fair, I don’t think the Roloffs were close to applying for welfare when the show started, but I think they needed the money. The Robertsons in contrast, were already pretty well off with the Duck Commander business. Also, unlike the Robertsons, the Roloffs have portrayed themselves as diversity advocates.
I’m sure someone will make the argument that “TLC told them not to say anything!” which btw is likely true. Here’s my response to that. I am absolutely certain someone at A&E told the Robertson clan to not mouth off on certain topics as well. The difference is that the Robertson clan has the money to say what they please, and have consistently marketed themselves as redneck hillbillies (even though that isn’t accurate) while the Roloffs don’t have the financial freedom to speak freely and very much want people to think they embrace diversity.
If you genuinely believe that Matt and Amy Roloff are against gay marriage, the gay lifestyle, etc, because of their religious views, you really can’t tell me they aren’t keeping that on the down low. They won’t answer direct questions on it because instead of standing tall with their Christian friends, they don’t want to tick off the liberals who pay them for diversity talks. They let their friends, who also won’t stand up and say “I am Lisa “insert lastname” and I know Matt and Amy personally and they believe homosexuality is wrong” and then whine and moan that people seem to think they just might be a bit against homosexuality. Matt, Amy, if you genuinely don’t harbor the view that homosexuality is wrong and against God, you have the power to say so, and you might want to protest all these kind friends of your family who anonymously insist you do believe this. And if you do believe this… well, you’re not the Robertsons, now are you? LPBW never had the marketing value, and Matt’s previous businesses, his protests aside, clearly weren’t the empire that Duck Commander is and was.
Now I will be honest. I don’t care for Phil Robertson’s views, and because the Robertsons are independently wealthy, I don’t think Phil is taking a life altering risk when he decides to do interviews because Phil has the money to say “screw you” and walk away. A rich man being an asshole because he knows he can get away with it, in other words. On the other hand, this has never been hidden and his sermons are pretty easy to find. I have to respect that he’s willing to stand up for his beliefs and say them, knowing that there’s a potential for consequences.
I don’t see the Roloffs doing that at all. I get it, it’s about the money, but don’t tell me that wiffle waffling about not liking “some things” in their church and never ever protesting that all these anonymous friends who say they are proud to be against homosexuality, and never stating their opinion in a way that makes them accountable is “The Roloffs standing loud and proud in their faith”. Because if they genuinely believe homosexuality is wrong…they sure aren’t willing to say so and they aren’t willing to buck their masters in order to say it.