Saturday, April 1, 2017

Jeremy & Audrey Roloff Having A Baby Girl

Jeremy and Audrey Roloff are having a baby girl. They had a "reveal" party April 1st and then announced the baby is a girl.

Audrey Roloff tweeted and posted on Facebook:

 

IT'S A GIRL!!!!! This makes it so much more real... oh my goodness we are going to have a daughter๐Ÿ’—
This whole pregnancy we thought it was a boy up until the last 3 weeks all signs pointed towards girl...so we both wore pink today, and we were right. Baby girl I hope and pray you have a head of curls and heart of gold. Follow the journey on aujpoj.com


Matt Roloff Announces He Is Dating Caryn Chandler - Long Time Roloff Farms Manager

Matt Roloff posted a picture to his Facebook of himself with his new girlfriend - Caryn Chandler.

She should be familiar to fans of Little People, Big World, Caryn has been in several episodes over the years as she was Matt's long time assistant or "Farm Manager"

In response to a comment to his post, Matt replied:

Matthew Roloff  Yes. Caryn and I are now dating. It's very exciting to such a wonderful persons be a positive companion in my life.

Friday, March 17, 2017

Roloff Friend, Jen Montzingo, Left Paraplegic - Faces Critical Surgery

This is not really a Roloff related item, but given the real life impact on someone -- I wanted to at least let some of our readers know what has happened to one of the "friends" of the Roloffs from the early seasons of Little People, Big World.

Long time fans of the show, will remember wayyyy back when the show started (and in truthfulness, before the show), Jen Montzingo was one of Zach Roloff's closest friends. Jen was often featured in the "LPA" conference episodes and in one of the early seasons Jen was featured in quite a few episodes as she had spent a lot of time at the Roloffs house.
























Jen has answered some reader comments on our site before. Years ago, Jen had moved from her home in Seattle to Hollywood to pursue her dream of acting. She was known as one of the Roloffs few friends who were more "liberal".

Anyhow, over the years, Jen's once close friendship with the Roloffs (considering she was a family friend before the show) sadly seemed to end.

Given the Roloffs negative feelings towards Spiritswander Blog, it seems as though anytime there was talk of Jen, that would create drama.

Moving on, in 2014, something tragic happened.






























After hearing the terrible news that Jen had become paraplegic, I reached out to Jen to bring awareness to our readers about what had happened to someone they probably remembered from the early seasons.

We were doing a question and answer item with the main purpose of letting people know about Jen's situation. However, because this is a Roloff blog, I perhaps unfairly, asked if we could discuss some Roloff topics,  her current relationship with them, her thoughts on then current happenings with the Roloffs (it was around the time of Jacob's Ask.fm and when Jacob started speaking out that he wasn't a Christian, etc.).

When I was just about to publish the item, Jen had a change of heart and asked not to include any Roloff related topics as she had no interest in creating more drama or bad blood with the Roloffs (although she didn't say anything negative, even trying to explain what happened would probably open up old wounds). So the item went unpublished.

I hope I am not out of line and if so I sincerely apologize to Jen, but because I don't believe this is controversial -- I did ask Jen about her relationship with the Roloffs in 2014 and she replied that she hadn't seen them in a long time.

Since Jen was a friend of the Roloffs with very different views on social issues than most of the Roloffs, I did ask for her opinion on the "controversy" with Jacob and the backlash he was facing from Christians fans of the Roloffs.

Spiritswander QuestionAnd just one final Roloff question just because it has been by far the most discussed topic on the blog in the last several months. There is some similarity between Christians on our site being upset with you for being "pro-gay" and quite frankly saying nasty things about you a few years ago and how Christians are now upset with Jacob for his social media posts. I realize that when you were close friends with the Roloffs, Jacob was just a young boy, but I'm sure people are curious as to what you think about Jacob being outspoken about rejecting Christianity, and his overall presence on social media. He answers questions on all social issues and posts his opinions and often times his opinions seem to be very different from the rest of his family. What are your thoughts about Jacob?

Jen Montzingo: : Hmmm...that is quite a complex question, especially for someone who doesn't follow Jacob on any social media accounts. I don't know, but perhaps Jacob isn't rejecting Christianity, but rejecting those who don't allow for questioning, doubts, and exploring things. 

From the way you worded your question, it sounds like Jacob is really thoughtful, philosophical and interested in seeking truth no matter the cost. I remember what an old youth pastor told me, it really sticks with me to this day and applies to this question. He said, "all truth is God's truth, so you really don't have to be afraid of it." Before I get a bunch of hate mail from atheists, let me explain the heart of what he meant. This isn't against atheists way of being at all. He's just saying, you don't have to be afraid of seeking truth and having doubts. Because it's normal to wrestle with these complex issues and feel like the way you grew up sheltered you from other ways of thinking and being. It's a really normal developmental stage that I think most psychologically healthy young adults go through.

I commend Jacob for taking the time to really research different issues and form his own opinion and be confident enough to speak up. It takes a strong core to go "against the flow." Simply following something when you have no idea on what it actually means seems kind of inauthentic and shallow.

SW: Any opinion on the backlash from Christians who feel that Jacob should be banned from social media or who say they are hoping he is disowned by the rest of the Roloffs next January when he turns 18? 

JM: : I cannot even fathom the type of person who would write that he should be disowned from his family? You have to ask yourself about the heart of someone who would write that? It's easy to be anonymous online and say hurtful things without reaping any consequences. Things you would never say to someone's face.

If Jacob were to read this I would want him to know that I support him because I know his character based on who he was as child. I'd actually be really interested to hear what he thinks about different issues - I'm sure he could point me to really interesting points of view from credible sources.

I just thought some readers would be interested in Jen's opinion on Jacob.

Most of our interview was on the life changing events:

SW: People might recall that a few years ago you moved from your home in Seattle to Hollywood to pursue your dream of acting. Can you give people an update? What has been happening in your life?

JM: I did somewhat pursue acting, but mostly I was happy teaching kindergarten-age children. I didn't really go "full force" with acting because in the process I realized how shy I can be and how much I don't like to be the center of attention. For example, if you sing happy birthday to me, I will turn bright red, even if it is a classroom of children singing to me. But I'm open to bit parts here and there, although I'm pretty picky on the type of parts I'm willing to do. I went more of the public speaking route and before this year, spoke pretty frequently all around the greater LA area. 

For me, I had planned on pursuing a master's degree in some combination of social work, public policy and clinical therapy. I was in the process of looking at different programs and figuring out what would be best for me.

I had major orthopedic surgery in February where they did two osteotomies, basically replaced both of my knees and one ankle (the other ankle will be done soon) and I had to wear external fixators for five months. It was brutal and gruesome, the most painful experience I have ever had.

My legs were extremely bowed and my knees were not aligned correctly, which was essentially compressing my nerves to the point of, if I did not do the surgery, I would have ended up in a wheelchair. 

Then, I slipped backwards off my stool while I was doing dishes I ended up having emergency spinal surgery by the Head of Orthopedics and the Head of Neurosurgery at a prominent LA hospital that is the west coast leader for people with skeletal dysplasia. Long story short, I suffered permanent spinal cord damage from the fall and my life has completely changed. 





Jen's dad took this while waiting for her to get of surgery #4































SW: Are you still in the hospital? 

JM: I was in the hospital for, let's see, 7 of the 12 months this year. 5 of the months I wore these unbearably torturous external fixators and two of the months I was at a spinal cord rehabilitation center. I had two glorious months this past summer where I was able to live at home. This is not said for people to feel sorry for me. This is just my story. 

SW: What have you been told about recovery?

JM: Nobody anticipates I will make a full recovery due to the extensiveness of the spinal cord damage, but I continue to press on in physical and occupational therapies, hoping to regain what is possible for me. But many essential functions, I have lost and I now use an electric wheelchair, unless I am just in my room or something.

SW: How are you coping with all of this? 

JM: In all honesty, I am grieving and totally devastated. I should probably think of some Pollyanna thing to say, but that is my current reality. I know emotions can change, and time heals many things, but right now, everything is fresh and I am also in shock. 



Jen's first trip out of her in 43 days. Downstairs to hospital Starbucks! A huge Treat!


















SW: There has been a lot of talk about medical care in the U.S. How are you coping financially with all that has happened to you? 

JM: I was able to use my savings to pay for my medical care so far, but unfortunately it is ongoing. I have many new daily needs which are expensive, like having a care giver. But everything going on with me kind of pales with the suffering of others in the world. I know many have it far worse.

That was back in November 2014.

Of the past 3 years, Jen was in the hospital/acute/rehab/nursing home for 870 days.






Jen's brother atakes Jen to the courtyard in her wheel chair after 60 days






















Friends of Jen's, distributed this letter in March 2017 to let people know of what is happening and help that is needed if possible:

For those who do not know, in August of 2014, Jen fell and incurred a massive spinal cord injury, leaving her an incomplete paraplegic. After this, she had a fourteen-hour emergency neurosurgery and spent August 2014 until May 2016 in the hospital, subsequent rehab and nursing home(s). In May of 2016 she was finally able to move into a Seattle apartment with caregivers coming in to provide care and where she could be closer to the support system in which she grew up with.

Throughout this time, Jen had a second neurosurgery to try and stabilize her spine. She is now scheduled to have a third and hopefully final neurosurgery for the foreseeable future on April 10th at Cedars-Sinai Hospital in Los Angeles, California. If left untreated, this spinal cord injury will cause further paralysis or fatality. 

Their skeletal dysplasia department has extensive experience and critical expertise in maintaining this injury in combination with the medical difficulties due to achondroplastic dwarfism. Her surgical team has been very committed to her care throughout these past few difficult years. 

We are writing to ask for some help for her for a limited amount of time.  We would be grateful for your support as we fundraise to assist Jen with at least some of the additional costs for this surgery.

Her hospitalization, surgeons’ fees and imaging are partly covered by her insurance. She is gratefully receiving financial assistance from the hospital for the rest of her inpatient costs.  However, Jen needs assistance for her airfare and subsequent lodging costs for when she is not actually checked into the hospital (i.e. pre-op and post-op appointments from three different physicians who need to see her regularly and sign off on these surgeries, outpatient MRI’s with the surgeons present as well as blood typing/matching for transfusions and necessary lab testing). 

We are in the home stretch and hoping this will finally be the end of the surgical road for our dearest Jen!We are also hoping that this surgical intervention leads to less pain, more sensation and increased mobility so that she may be more active in her community.

Would you consider contributing toward this effort on Jen’s behalf? 

Jennifer’s grandparents are 50+ year legacies at a Seattle-area church that wants to help her during this difficult time. They have set up an avenue for you to receive tax credit for your contributions, if you donate through the First Free Methodist Church. The site is www.ffmc.org and you would click on the “Giving tab”.  Mark your donation for Local Impact Partners fund. The church will direct your donation toward Jen’s health funding needs and you will receive a tax credit receipt for your gift.

Thank you so much for your consideration of this need.

Sincerely,

Jen’s Advocates: 



Jen and her dad at her cousin's wedding in between surgeries




















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Just to clarify, because some commenting were wondering about insurance, while it pays for medical, Jenn still has medical equipment expenses, $400 + caregiver copay and a lot of airfare and lodging costs due to the back and forth trips..


The hospital chart from Jen's amazing surgeon who has given her best chance of recovery













































For anyone interested in how they could help if they are in a position to do so, the best way would be through the above link to Jen's Grandparents church. There might be a 'Go Fund Me' page at some later date. 



Wednesday, February 22, 2017

Audrey and Jeremy Roloff Expecting Their First Child

Jeremy and Audrey Roloff announced today that Audrey is pregnant.

Jeremy Roloff posted an Instagram photo with the caption:

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The secret is out... I'm going to be a dad!
The author and creator of life has entrusted us with our first child - wow. Inevitably this means some big exciting changes for us this year, we're excited to embark on this journey and share it with you all.
We're praying for a healthy baby Roloff! 


Audrey wrote that they are expecting in September.

We've been keeping a secret... and now the secret is finally out! WE'RE PREGNANT!!!!! Expecting our first baby this September๐Ÿ‘ถ๐Ÿผ We are brimming with uncontainable joy, excitement and praise to God the author and creator of life! Baby Roloff, we are praying everyday for your protection, health, and that you would love the Lord with all your heart (oh...and have curly hair)๐Ÿ™๐Ÿป See you in 6 months ๐Ÿ’• Follow our pregnancy journey on aujpoj.com

Sunday, January 22, 2017

Roloffs React To Marches (Some Critical While Some Take Part)

Members of the Roloff Family had very different reactions to the massive "Women's March" that took place Saturday January 21, 2017, not only in many cities across the United States, but around the world. Estimates are that as many of 2 Million people around the world took part in the March.

As has happened previously when it comes to politics, the Roloffs had very reactions to the marches.


Isabel, Jacob Roloff's girlfriend whom he lives with in Arcata, California, took to twitter and Instagram to proclaim that she marched. Jacob retweeted Isabel's tweet.


























Isabel even tweeted a picture of the sign she made to carry in the march.
































Isabel also posted a more lengthy Instagram Caption:

http://www.instagram.com/izzysrock

"We marched today. As humans standing up against injustices towards other humans. I was encouraged and inspired by all of the powerful people in one place today, and honored to be a part of it. I live in an area with a bunch of small towns - on the 101. This was the biggest march in this town's history!! What I was most amazed by was the CHILDREN who made their own signs and who were chanting words they truly believed in. It gave me SO MUCH HOPE for the younger generation. We can learn from kids. "Protect the Environment" an important reminder for all of us" 


Although Isabel did appear to not want to offend. When she was questioned whether the "march was in anyway negative against the Administration? Isabel replied "No."

I think it is fair to say that the marches, one day after Donald Trump's inauguration, were very much a protest to voice concern against many of the policies the Trump campaign ran on and that the Administration have espoused. To suggest it was not in "any way" a negative against the Trump administration seems a tad bit disingenuous, in my opinion.














Meanwhile, Jeremy and Audrey Roloff, had a very different take on the marches. On Saturday night of the marches, Jeremy's wife, Audrey had a message for the marchers/protesters (which included Jacob Roloff's girlfriend Isabel). Audrey Roloff tweeted:

"Spend more time praying than you do protesting."

















Jeremy and Audrey Roloff have always been very careful to stop just short of definitively saying they voted for Donald Trump. Once Audrey posted a video of Donald Trump's closing debate remarks and she could be heard cheering/yelling "That was good!!" Although when someone commented that Audrey and Jeremy supported Trump, they responded "Did we say that?". And after the election results, Jeremy Roloff declared Trump's victory "A Miracle!". Although once again, when people said Jeremy supported Trump, he replied "Did I say that?"


Both Jeremy and Audrey often retweet Christian minister, Franklin Graham, who was vocal about the importance for Christians to vote for Donald Trump. Audrey shared Franklin Graham's interview where he talks about God wanting Donald Trump to win the election. One of his themes throughout the election was:

"It's about the Supreme Court...and who do you trust to appoint judges that are going to be in favor of Christian liberty?" I think maybe God has allowed Donald Trump to win this election to protect this nation for the next few years by giving maybe an opportunity to have some good judges".







Reason Blog Was On Hiatus

For those who were wondering, there was a death in my immediate family and that is why the blog was on hiatus and no new comments were published during that time.

To those of you who expressed concern, thank you.

Monday, January 16, 2017

Little People Big World Episode Review January 10th

Here are reviews of the Little People Big World episode on TLC that aired Tuesday Jan 10th.

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Written by Rap541

New finale that is so about the pending baby! The first bonus scene reveals that Jeremy had returned to the farm for this episode to celebrate Amy’s birthday and to judge her for dating, but more importantly, to celebrate their MARRIAGE. I especially adore how Jeremy expects his mom to make breakfast for him. And to you know, provide him a free place to stay when he so openly judges her.

Not sure if it’s a bonus scene but Matt basically describes his potential new house as part of the farm and as something that Amy would be required to chip in for as it is a farm expense. And there lies the problem, since there’s no reasonable way to insist this is a farm business expense.

Next bonus scene is Zach and Matt talking about his neck brace and Zach inviting Matt to Amy’s party for her birthday. Zach makes a similar joke to one I make with my dad – my dad likes to do the “oh how old are you? In AARP yet?” To which I always retort that “hahaha I am still 31 years younger than you!”

I’m a little worried about Spirit so it’s awkward to be totally jovial here.

Anyway.

So, at the horrible double wide, Matt lays out the housing plan to take care of Jer and Auj and provide them a home without them needing to work and of course Jer is on board. Matt notes that Jer isn’t smart enough to disagree with him. Matt wants to build a separate house for Jer and Auj. Matt of course notes how *Amy* is the problem. Jeremy really wants the big house so he tells Matt he’s not sure if Amy wants to move. Jer is all “But even tho I whine incessantly how I want to live on the farm, I want to be in charge and make the decision and get to live away until I decide because I am a little boy who wants his way!”

Amy and blonde friend who’s name I missed discuss the motorcycle date with Chris and how Amy is going out with her man Chris. Amy haybales how being divorced is awesome.

Meanwhile back at the Zach house, Zach is all “I love coaching kids” and Tory is all “I love teaching kids” and in the haybale they are so hiding the pregnancy…. Zach thinks Tory will be the authoritative parent.

Matt describes how he sometimes needs the neck brace and also how cool he is about living on the same property with the ex. Amy is all “wtf?” and “I knew it” over the whole compound plan. Matt mentions the “Jer and Auj want to pitch you out” plan. Amy is like “I’m not stupid” and that’s nice to hear because I do worry she’ll let the mom thing override the good sense.

Back to the tension. Amy nails it with how Matt wants to move in to the big house with Jer and Auj and I totally don’t believe Jer and Auj know that part of Matt’s plan. Matt puts on an awesome puss face of disappointment as Amy disses the whole compound plan and notes how it’s designed to drive her out.

Jer and Zach discuss the compound plan. Zach has no interest, and Jer has things to do in bend so he has no real interest in returning to the farm NOW.

Amy is going on a second date with Chris so she’s making him a pie. Is Chris… Chris the ex producer? I am just curious. Amy meanwhile wants to know where the cameras are looking and wants to see the camera feeds. Matt denies and denies that the cameras are to spy and Matt immediately asks what she is up to? Amy wants them gone and Matt is all “You’re being a bitch because you’re dating! So lets break them all!”  

Amy is cool with that.

Zach and Matt discuss the farm and Matt notes how he’s been making a humongous contribution and he’s super proud of Zach and about fucking time you said that, Matt. Now if you could let Jeremy know  you’re not providing him a free home?

Matt wants the kids of Zach to swim in the pond and stuff. It’s nice to see Matt acknowledge Zach even though I worry it’s for the cameras.

Amy is off to her date. She’s wearing a fancy dress. Chris shows up, looking slick and nice. They’re off to Portland for a fancier date. Amy continues to marvel how she’s never considered dating an average height man. Chris wants more travel dates. Amy seems smitten and Chris is surprisingly sweet and open with her. He seems like a nice guy. I also note how nice it is that Chris had no kids so that’s not an issue.

Amy and Chris have a campfire on camera. There’s talk of stars and they SMOOCH! J It’s quite chaste but sweet and nice and now I want to smoosh them together.

Back at Zach and Tory’s place, Tory nervously hides her baby bump as she plots how to tell him about the obvious baby. Zach is flabbergasted that she’s knocked up and I kinda remember why I used to like this show. They’re very sweet together. Tory nicely sums up the dwarf baby issues with “we know it will happen and it’s ok”

They tell the grandparents on both sides with gifts to surprise them. Amy seems to react with “are you *shitting me*? Which I love as that is so my mom’s reaction. All the grandparents freak! Tory’s mom is all OMG! HUG HUG HUG! Matt weeps as does Tory Dad and it’s all so sweet.  Tory’s parents are so nervous on the haybale but sweet.

Now we’re never selling the farm because you know, kids. Matt now desperately wants the compound and Amy is now considering maybe leaving but everyone is delighted to be grandparents.


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Episode Review written By Podge/Rodge Groupie

REVIEW OF LIFE’S ABOUT TO CHANGE

The Tarnished Couple drive up to the house. Amy claims she is surprised. Yeah, right. Not knowing they were coming. Whatever. Planning a birthday party for Amy with just the kids, except Molly and Jacob. Amy and Zach were doing pre-Pumpkin season inventory in the garage. Does anyone else notice that Zach is helping at the farm one helluva lot ore than the mighty Jer wants to be? Because if he wanted to be, he wouldn’t be living in Bend. Just saying. This scene sure makes the next scene a little awkward. Where did Auj disappear to? Doesn’t she get to go into the kitchen with Jer, seeing as they JUST got there? And I apologize for seeing a scene from a different angle, that stupid trebuchet is still there.

Zach and Matt. Zach flashed a look at the camera on the way into Matt’s office. I didn’t know they made BBQ sauce. He invites Matt to the small just-the-kids birthday party for Amy. Hey, why don’t WE get to see the party? Huh?

This week’s episode starts in Matt’s office. Uh, Matt, you’ve got your plan and/or scheme backwards again. The FIRST step is to apply for a Development Permit from the County for the new buildings. What the heck is the point of running it past the family, then finding out you can’t build what you want where you want? D’uh. I’m pretty sure by now the county is really tired of your crap, Matt. And Jeremy, much as your dad would like to think, the first step is not to convince you, you greedy pigheaded jerk. And enough with the ‘interesting dynamic’ BS. Please please come up with something else. Unawesome Jer outlines his overall schedule, but I’m wondering about the “Want a couple of years to NOT be on the farm”. Why? Might have to do some work? Learn something? Perish the thought.

Lisa (I called her Liz) shows up at Amy’s house. I guess there wouldn’t be much of a show if Amy talked to herself. Or haybaled and voice-over’d everything. Amy finally feels good about Amy. It’s nice to live without a boat anchor. Zach and Tori sit at home and have a leading conversation about kids, and how much they like them, and who is better with them, like this was taped before they knew. Yeah, right.

Matt describes for the first time to Amy his ‘plan’. This goes as predicted. One thing that Matt said in passing – when he’s describing the compounds, because of course the not-so-golden Couple get the big house (??) he tells Amy “You can have your own situation on YOUR tax lot.” What does that mean? Your tax lot. He speaks of ‘tax lots’. He didn’t say squat to Amy about subdividing anything. And, of course, in Matt’s condescending way speaks about Amy, “We need to go through every step. She doesn’t see the same thing I do.” As Amy said, she’s not stupid. Your schtick is getting so old, Matt.

Zach and Jer discuss ‘the plan’ at Zach’s house, probably because his living room is big enough for the crew. By the way, what is the timing of this? Not-so-awesome Jer said HE was driving back to Bend today. So, is he in Hillsboro by himself? Or does he not bother to mention Auj anymore? Jer mentioned earlier that he and Auj have a lot of work to finish in Bend. WHAT work, exactly? What is so important there that it cannot be done on the farm? Like online stuff? Hmmmmmmm? Zach and Tori are a no-go to move to the farm. At least they realize that everybody needs more time than succumbing to Matt ramming this idea down everybody’ throat? The best line of the episode is when Jer mentions that if he doesn’t train he next generation as in his two eldest, his whole legacy could fail. Uh, legacy? What legacy? Matt certainly does have a high opinion of his ‘extraordinary life’. Yeah, right.

Amy and Matt fight about the cameras. Matt tries to blow the whole thing out of proportion to make Amy look stupid. By the way, he sure did stumble and stutter through his explanation just like he did explaining ‘the plan’ to Amy. And to not-so-awesome Jer. Weird.

Matt has a moment out by the castle deciding on upgrades for the farm. Zach arrives on cue. Zach has helped lots on the farm this year. Not the Tarnished Boy. Zach. Matt heaps kudos on Zach. They reminisce about the past.

Amy and Chris go on a date. Amy, CLOSE THE DOOR? Everything goes swimmingly. Is that the usual campfire site? I thought it was out closer to the gazebo.

Tori sets up a camera to catch Zach’s reaction to the news. Zach misses it completely. Yawns. D’uh. It took awhile. He grabs her butt. The haybale showed how Zach is still a bit of a perfectionist. He wants to study and know everything, or as much as he can anyway. He used to overthink going on a date when he was younger. They were surprised it happened so soon. Zach, “Like, did we do things right?” Uh, Zach, it’s pretty simple. You just go without condoms like the ones Auj asked for in the sea can ‘bunker’. They have a party. Zach sums up his mom, “Yeah, she reacts by screaming obscenities.” Matt tried to make it all about himself by bursting into tears. No Tori, it’s not cute. It’s ridiculous. The Pattons seem genuine.

Matt tries to use the news to convince Amy about ‘the plan’. What the heck is up with the treehouse? That’s what we have to look at right now. That was a bit out of the blue. Amy rightly does not give and predictions about the future, because ti’s not here yet, and there has to be a question or two for season nausea, 12 I guess. And as in the finale of season six, they’re sitting in a mule, riding off into the sunset, with an unsure future and endless possibilities. Yeah, right.